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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 20:45:16 GMT -1
oxymoron (well nearly) It will take several years to get a AAA credit rating Really? On what evidence (or likelihood), Oz?
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Post by ozneil on Aug 24, 2014 20:49:10 GMT -1
likelihood and evidence sorta are at odds
but more inmportantly do you know who foreclosed on them ...a lender or a creditor ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 20:53:05 GMT -1
Hah! You're not slipping off the hook that easy!
On what evidence (or likelihood if you prefer) do you confidently assert it will 'take years to get an AAA rating'?
At least I back up MY assertions. Over to you!
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Post by ozneil on Aug 24, 2014 21:01:56 GMT -1
Hah! You're not slipping off the hook that easy! On what evidence (or likelihood if you prefer) do you confidently assert it will 'take years to get an AAA rating'? At least I back up MY assertions. Over to you! Always does, takes years. Prob start at BBB and work up Perhaps A for starters The credit rating is based not only on collateral and ability to pay but on timeous & full re-payment of debts taken over a period of years ie not welshing on payments as some countries have been known to do. OK? www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/definitions-and-faqs/en/usThis may help
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 23:50:19 GMT -1
Yeah, it may *take years* for new countries but I believe collateral-wise, Scotland's maybe just in an (ever so slightly) better position, asset-wise, than oh......Fiji and the Cook Islands You're correct that *some* countries welsh on their debts. We're not one of them does that disappoint you? I do hope not... We totally accept responsibility for squaring up our share of UKE debt. Probably worth remembering, though, that Scotland owns roughly 8% of ALL UKE assets: buildings, land, etc. An uncomfortable fact for the NO campaign who choose not to mention it. MUCH easier to paint the Scots as whinging, lazy, non-contributing benefits leeches subsidised by hard-working English people's taxes. Except most of rUK doesn't believe that any more, to their credit.
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Post by ozneil on Aug 25, 2014 0:06:27 GMT -1
Yeah, it may *take years* for new countries but I believe collateral-wise, Scotland's maybe just in an (ever so slightly) better position, asset-wise, than oh......Fiji and the Cook Islands You're correct that *some* countries welsh on their debts. We're not one of them does that disappoint you? I do hope not... We totally accept responsibility for squaring up our share of UKE debt. Probably worth remembering, though, that Scotland owns roughly 8% of ALL UKE assets: buildings, land, etc. An uncomfortable fact for the NO campaign who choose not to mention it. MUCH easier to paint the Scots as whinging, lazy, non-contributing benefits leeches subsidised by hard-working English people's taxes. Except most of rUK doesn't believe that any more, to their credit. Personally I know Scots and I would recommend them to anyone but its not me that has to be convinced, although you have a good reputation, its hard headed international financiers that wouldnt know Scotland from a bar of soap to whom it has to be proved. But its Fergusons that need the money and the independence vote is going to have an influence on the lenders.. Back to Fiji and way off the subject. It was hit by a cyclone a couple of years ago and one of the tourist resorts was completely cut off. Staff couldnt get through from their homes so the guests pitched in and got things going, cooking etc. Later in the morning a cook appeared. The lass had driven 5 miles had come to a flooded creek with the bridge down so she had swum the creek and walked the remaining 2 miles to the resort. She said she had to look after the guests. Now that is service!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 18:27:43 GMT -1
Yeah, it may *take years* for new countries but I believe collateral-wise, Scotland's maybe just in an (ever so slightly) better position, asset-wise, than oh......Fiji and the Cook Islands You're correct that *some* countries welsh on their debts. We're not one of them does that disappoint you? I do hope not... We totally accept responsibility for squaring up our share of UKE debt. Probably worth remembering, though, that Scotland owns roughly 8% of ALL UKE assets: buildings, land, etc. An uncomfortable fact for the NO campaign who choose not to mention it. MUCH easier to paint the Scots as whinging, lazy, non-contributing benefits leeches subsidised by hard-working English people's taxes. Except most of rUK doesn't believe that any more, to their credit. Personally I know Scots and I would recommend them to anyone but its not me that has to be convinced, although you have a good reputation, its hard headed international financiers that wouldnt know Scotland from a bar of soap to whom it has to be proved. But its Fergusons that need the money and the independence vote is going to have an influence on the lenders..Well I guess we'll see about that, Oz. (Maybe a mistake to believe the press/media that consistently talks down Scotland's status in the world?) Clyde Blowers Capital was announced (quelle surprise!) as the preferred bidder today. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-28928160
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Post by ozneil on Aug 25, 2014 19:12:28 GMT -1
gees I give up
A simple truism made into a Federal case
Just not worth the effort
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 20:46:40 GMT -1
gees I give up A simple truism made into a Federal case Just not worth the effort Ach, don't be daft, Oz! I for one am dead glad a potential solution's been found---and within Scotland itself. Now, with respect--you've can't be expected to *get* why the independence movement is so strong. That's totally understandable and absolutely not a criticism. I think we are just SO sick now of being told we're too small and too stupid to run our own affairs. And the fake *barriers* and total negativity from those that want the status quo. Personally I'm all in favour of our *can-do* attitude and I have every faith in the Scottish people to make the right decisions for Scotland---even if they DO go against the grain of old-school thinking. Some are scared of change--and some kowtow to who they believe is *in authority*. Attacking *Alexsammin* personally has been the main thrust of the NO side. Showing a complete and utter failure to realise the groundswell of opinion here in Scotland, that cuts across those with various political party allegiances--and those with none. I think you'd be proud to see how politicised and involved the vast majority of Scots are now.
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Post by notanimby on Aug 27, 2014 4:30:02 GMT -1
gees I give up A simple truism made into a Federal case Just not worth the effort Ach, don't be daft, Oz! I for one am dead glad a potential solution's been found---and within Scotland itself. Now, with respect--you've can't be expected to *get* why the independence movement is so strong. That's totally understandable and absolutely not a criticism. I think we are just SO sick now of being told we're too small and too stupid to run our own affairs. And the fake *barriers* and total negativity from those that want the status quo. Personally I'm all in favour of our *can-do* attitude and I have every faith in the Scottish people to make the right decisions for Scotland---even if they DO go against the grain of old-school thinking. Some are scared of change--and some kowtow to who they believe is *in authority*. Attacking *Alexsammin* personally has been the main thrust of the NO side. Showing a complete and utter failure to realise the groundswell of opinion here in Scotland, that cuts across those with various political party allegiances--and those with none. I think you'd be proud to see how politicised and involved the vast majority of Scots are now. Indeed Rolo - I'm still flabbergasted by the following though:- 1) The amount of folk who won't vote YESS because they don't like Aliksammin but when you ask them about being totally blown away by Cameron - they look at you blankly 2) The people who portray Scotland as being the only country in the world incapable of being independent 3) The peopel who say having all that oil is a curse and no good whatsoever 4) The UKOK sympathisers and activists who cant answer simple YES/NO questions about independence but then go on to supply you with deflections aplenty Darling got a showing up on Monday night and deservedly so, despite Glenn Campbell's best efforts to help him - the wee wummin in the audience fair ripped him a new arsehole over taking money from private health companies whilst plugging the lie of the NHS being safe in "his" hands Even the audience got fed up listening to his rubbish about "plan B" and groaned and booed everytime he tried to bring it up again whilst trying to deflect simple yes/no questions I loved Salmond's "tell us 3 job creating powers we'll get if we vote NO - answer deflection and bluster Ok then Alastair - tell us two powers then - more of teh same pish Aye Ok then alasatir just tell us one - answer as above hilarious stuff watching Darling squirm and get all shouty and finger pointy
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Post by ozneil on Aug 27, 2014 22:52:15 GMT -1
got this today Perhaps it can help Fergusons
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