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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 23:45:10 GMT -1
I was proud of the leaders of all the Scottish political parties today when they stood together and demanded the UK government woke the fuck up and got their arse in gear to aid people fleeing from Syria and other hideous war-torn countries.
Thing One: it's incumbent on ALL EU countries to honour the agreement to take a proportionate share of those in distress. The Tories are still trying to opt out of this, bastards that they are, aided and abetted by the hideous UKIP.
Thing Two: We shouldn't need to BEGIN to invoke EU law on this! We have a moral imperative to help our fellow humans, regardless.
The Tory government is playing politics and they are SO wrong to do so. It's almost as if they formulate policy according to *views* of the knuckle dragger commenters on British tabloid websites. Get that tae, for a start. Britain is fast becoming the subject of utter derision and rightly so, given the inaction of our feeble government.
There has to be a dual solution, shirley: long-term, to try and help stabilise (rather than bomb the feck out of) fragile countries and short-term, to come to the immediate aid of those caught up yet another humanitarian crisis that we have helped to cause.
How very odd (not) that Gideon Osborne--- Tory Chancellor, public-schoolboy, heir to the Osborne and Little empire, who has never had to work a day in his privileged life-- can conjure up £500 million towards Trident renewal and yet...this very wealthy country of ours can't take its fair share of refugees.
Shameful. Utterly shameful.
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Post by notanimby on Sept 4, 2015 10:00:49 GMT -1
A baby in the water His family in pain They're calling him a migrant Fucks sake he's just a wean
A baby in the water His likes, they must be stopped If only they had said that Of all the bombs they dropped
A baby in the water We all should be ashamed That the bankers fucked the country But the immigrants are blamed
A baby in the water Face down in the sand For want of common decency Some aid, a helping hand
A baby in the water He's not the only one Weans are dead and drowning Illegal migrants in the Sun
A baby in the water From a boat without a sail Branded as a criminal By the bastard Daily Mail
A baby in the water How many more must drown They're human beings not migrants They should be welcome in our town.
By Someone Called Derek Moore
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 19:07:42 GMT -1
Yep, that's pretty much it, Nota. And to those saying images of young babies and children being *used* to manipulate public sensibilities, I'd say this. Every single soul fleeing from devastated towns and cities, trying to find a place of safety, is someone's child. Who would take such awful risks if not for the best of reasons?
A wee ray of light tonight, seeing the humanitarian response of ordinary folks in Austria and Germany to the new arrivals from Hungary.
I think the UKE government has seriously underestimated public opinion on the taking in of refugees, so focussed are they on the UKIP even more right wing amoebae's agenda.
SNP will take them to task on Wednesday at Westminster. And hopefully will help SHAME them into doing the right thing.
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Post by ozneil on Sept 9, 2015 3:29:12 GMT -1
The ones I really admire are the women and kids that stay behind to look after the old people, the houses and farms facing slavery and rape whilst their men folk run for their lives to the safety of Europe.
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Post by notanimby on Sept 9, 2015 17:48:04 GMT -1
The ones I really admire are the women and kids that stay behind to look after the old people, the houses and farms facing slavery and rape whilst their men folk run for their lives to the safety of Europe. Ah so the fact that it was two wee boys who drowned, gives provenance to your pure phish " observation" they weans were running for safety in Europe whilst leaving their mam at hame, funny how she drowned as well, eh? Sorta puts your " observation" right in the shitter, what? Aye but never fear, the Brits and their masters ( the yanks) will be along soon take bomb the shit out of them anyways, collateral damage I think is the term, especially when they are Johnny foreigners who aren't quite white
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Post by ozneil on Sept 9, 2015 20:23:43 GMT -1
If reports out of Hungary are to be believed about 70% of the "refugees" are unaccompanied males. Pics of the refugees seem to bear this out with a proportion of about 3:1 males to females and kids, easily checked.
You can draw your own conclusions about that, personally I think you Euros are being taken for mugs by a large number of the "refugees" to the detriment of genuine cases.
The 2 little boys are a case in point. The family has been resident and working in Turkey for 3 years, the father had already been refused entry to Canada and has buried his kids and wife in his home town, hardly refugees fleeing in fear of their life.
This in no way alters my sympathy and sorrow for the poor guy, he made a bad decision which he will have to live with for the rest of his life!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 22:46:55 GMT -1
The ones I really admire are the women and kids that stay behind to look after the old people, the houses and farms facing slavery and rape whilst their men folk run for their lives to the safety of Europe. Ah so the fact that it was two wee boys who drowned, gives provenance to your pure phish " observation" they weans were running for safety in Europe whilst leaving their mam at hame, funny how she drowned as well, eh? Sorta puts your " observation" right in the shitter, what? Aye but never fear, the Brits and their masters ( the yanks) will be along soon take bomb the shit out of them anyways, collateral damage I think is the term, especially when they are Johnny foreigners who aren't quite white Just wondering really, if Oz, you're one of those who believe people should *stay and fight* in Syria and other such war-torn countries? Do you have a real grasp of the scenario there, the civil war where there are SO many factions involved that nobody really knows who the enemy actually is? These factions, of course, being armed to the teeth by Western armaments companies. If the best hope for so many is that younger, fitter family members can establish a safe place to live in Europe first, then apply for asylum then bring their families over, why is that wrong? There's this truly AWFUL view in the right wing press, aided and abetted by selfish greedy little Englanders, that somehow those fleeing war zones are COWARDS. Fortunately public opinion in most of Europe is having NONE of that. The West is 100% implicated via waging regime change in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya: did we think bombing the shit out of these countries was going to end well? Is there some kinda lightbulb moment when people bombed out of house and home seek refuge in a safer place? REALLY?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 22:52:34 GMT -1
Kobane, Syria. Millions upon millions have fled, mainly to neighbouring countries- as opposed to Europe. We're not talking economic migrants, we're talking people who have lost everything. Most don't want to be displaced, they want their country back and want to return there rather than be displaced. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 23:05:49 GMT -1
If reports out of Hungary are to be believed about 70% of the "refugees" are unaccompanied males. Pics of the refugees seem to bear this out with a proportion of about 3:1 males to females and kids, easily checked. You can draw your own conclusions about that, personally I think you Euros are being taken for mugs by a large number of the "refugees" to the detriment of genuine cases. The 2 little boys are a case in point. The family has been resident and working in Turkey for 3 years, the father had already been refused entry to Canada and has buried his kids and wife in his home town, hardly refugees fleeing in fear of their life. This in no way alters my sympathy and sorrow for the poor guy, he made a bad decision which he will have to live with for the rest of his life!I have to take you to task on that bit, Oz. Tens of thousands of people left Scotland--- not because our towns and cities have been flattened by a malevolent, arrogant, power hungry enemy that believes it has carte blanche because it has more deadly weapons than anyone else---but because those families believe they may have a better opportunity to have a better life elsewhere. Is such aspiration only for those and such-as-those? Why was that father's decision a bad one? Would it have been a bad one had the boat they were on arrived safe? Would you berate a Scots family if their transit met with disaster? Somehow I think not. But you tell me.
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Post by ozneil on Sept 10, 2015 1:03:15 GMT -1
GEES!!!! I wish people would read what I wrote not what they think I wrote before they race off to the stock yard looking for a huge Waler to mount. In no particular order I wrote the guy made a " bad decision" in as much that his kids and wife died because of his decision if they had made it over to Greece it would have been a " good decision"I did not say if it were a morally justified decision or otherwise as I am in no position to judge. The guy was not a refugee fleeing from Syria he had been domiciled & working in Turkey for 3 years; therefore if anything he was an illegal migrant. OK thats him Now my first comment Should have noted "extremely sarcastic" written after but I didnt think that was necessary! No man who calls him self a man would leave his family in harms way so we can assume their families were not in danger. A large number of these male unaccompanied "refugees" did not leave family in harms way as they do not come from Syria but come from other countries as far away as Nepal and Bangladesh moving for economic reasons and probably hoping to cash in (pun intended) on the sympathy generated by the plight of the genuine Syrian refugees for purely selfish reasons. That is one of the reasons they do not want identified by the Hungarians as it would destroy their deception. What the hell has Scottish Migration got to do with the price of fish??? As far as I know the Scots migrated legally. Its sad when anyone drowns or dies needlessly whether an illegal migrant, refugee or a Scot.
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Post by ozneil on Sept 21, 2015 0:18:47 GMT -1
going by pics the principle of "women and children first" is alien to the vast majority of these refugees/illegal migrants
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 19:19:40 GMT -1
GEES!!!! I wish people would read what I wrote not what they think I wrote before they race off to the stock yard looking for a huge Waler to mount. In no particular order I wrote the guy made a " bad decision" in as much that his kids and wife died because of his decision if they had made it over to Greece it would have been a " good decision"I did not say if it were a morally justified decision or otherwise as I am in no position to judge. The guy was not a refugee fleeing from Syria he had been domiciled & working in Turkey for 3 years; therefore if anything he was an illegal migrant. OK thats him Now my first comment Should have noted "extremely sarcastic" written after but I didnt think that was necessary! No man who calls him self a man would leave his family in harms way so we can assume their families were not in danger. A large number of these male unaccompanied "refugees" did not leave family in harms way as they do not come from Syria but come from other countries as far away as Nepal and Bangladesh moving for economic reasons and probably hoping to cash in (pun intended) on the sympathy generated by the plight of the genuine Syrian refugees for purely selfish reasons. That is one of the reasons they do not want identified by the Hungarians as it would destroy their deception. What the hell has Scottish Migration got to do with the price of fish??? As far as I know the Scots migrated legally. Its sad when anyone drowns or dies needlessly whether an illegal migrant, refugee or a Scot. Scottish migration's been a constant since the 1900s when the north of our country was laid waste by incoming landlords. When people have no way of making a living they will naturally go to somewhere where they can. And since the 1950s, Scots have migrated to find better lives for themselves and their families. In both cases it was commonplace that older or infirm family members were left behind while the younger, fitter family members went on ahead, found jobs and a place to live. My cousin aged 4 was, while her widowed father went to NZ and sent for her when he'd found a job. Why does it seem to surprise you that this is happening as people are displaced from war-torn unstable countries or those unable to support its population? Re Hungary, I was born in 1956. The year when tens of thousands of Hungarians sought refuge throughout Europe and beyond, due to political instability in their country. Human beings migrate, just as animals and birds do. It's the natural order of things. The issue's not that they do, it's the unpreparedness of Western and possibly Australian governments to anticipate this and invest in their infrastructure and services accordingly. Classic divide and rule tactics. Look out everyone, that migrant's after your job/doctors appointment/school place..blabla whatever. Ra assimilation; there are Scottish clubs and expat communities all over the world, Does that mean Scots haven't assimilated in their receiving countries? Likewise I don't happen to believe that the establishment of mosques, temples, gurdwaras in Europe means the people that visit them don't assimilate. Maybe some people believe that they're all terrorists, the right wing UKE press certainly seem to. But I'm not one of them, quelle surprise. Terrorism' s not the sole preserve of any race, creed or religion. As most reasonable people on the planet would acknowledge.
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Post by ozneil on Sept 22, 2015 20:18:48 GMT -1
Woww !!!!! that is some post I will have to give a considered response
Watch this space
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Post by ozneil on Sept 22, 2015 23:28:00 GMT -1
OK 'ere we go
Gees the Scots emigrated coz they couldnt get a decent lively hood in Scotland and they were an educated skilled people now you are letting in more people mostly semi-literate , if that, and of a different culture .... makes senses eh???
Scots emigrated to countries that invited them generally countries with the same culture (Greco/Roman) and very similar life styles. Canada, Australia, New Zealand and US have all the same roots an as a result Scots fit in and assimilate.. There are no Scottish enclaves/ghettoes they have spread throughout the community.
This is just not true of the Middle Eastern migration who were not invited and of an alien culture. They generally live in enclaves/ghettos and make no attempt to assimalte which is to the detriment of the "host" country. You have plenty of examples in UK generally in the Midlands, simmilarily in other European countries.There is no need for me to elaborate.
Having said that our much venerated ex-Governor Marie Bashir is of Lebanese Christin descent but that is unusual. It doesnt surprise we that they are trying for an easier and better life but for them to succedd rather than rely on Welfare they have to contribute as the Scots have done. Would you say that generally they, ME migrants, have enhanced the places they have settled in anyway?
Funny you should mention Hungary I worked with a guy whose family had escaped in 1956 when the Russians invaded. His main memory was falling in a stream crossing the Austrian Border. His dad was carpenter not well educated. On reaching Austria they were sent to a UN refugee camp in Dominica where they were processed and given information of countries which would take them. Dad chose Australia purely because it was as far from Communism as you could get and because our flag showed the Union Flag so he reckonned it must be British and therefore safe and just (not a bad recommendation for the UK)
The main problem is Governments just did not expect the rush and can not cope with it. It will reduce standards if allowed unchecked I cant speak for Europe but here we have had 200 years of assimilating migrants and know what and how long it takes and have adjusted our migrant intake accordingly. As I have said ad nauseum we take our refugees from the UN not illegal boat people.
THat is why the Australian Labor Party brought in the White Australia Policy and the Unions are now trying to do the same thing with the China Free Trade Agreement.
There are no Scots communities here . There are palces where lots of Scots live but they are not communities and yeah we have the hell of a lot of pipe bands the other clubs are few and far between
As I said above most ME people do not want to assimilate
Thats a bit of a furphy or red herring there are millions which will swamp the infrastructure of any country I can well understand Hungary and othere point of view.
To put it very bluntly they conform to OUR standards or they go forth and multiply ... we do not conform to their alien standards!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 21:28:47 GMT -1
OK 'ere we go Gees the Scots emigrated coz they couldnt get a decent lively hood in Scotland and they were an educated skilled people now you are letting in more people mostly semi-literate , if that, and of a different culture .... makes senses eh??? Stopped reading at this point, Oz. What ridiculous, uninformed nonsense.
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