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Post by notanimby on Oct 17, 2010 20:21:15 GMT -1
Oops seem to have touched a nerve there, obvious you don't like anyone who disagrees with your view. If only the world was as black and white as you appear to see it. For the very reasons of the above - that's why I endorse the 'unadulterated rubbish' so that people can make an informed decision. In many ways your total dismissal of this, is akin to returning to the dark ages, ignorance is obviously so much better. In fact, if we went by your theory, we would be as guilty as the religious apologist, doing their best to spread their message. You're only doing this in reverse, in my view as I grip onto my Pc. So you would advocate teachin weans that the toof fairy is a viable dental opshun.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2010 23:08:57 GMT -1
With regards to creationism, there is no grey. It is complete and utter anti scientific nonsense, promulgated by proven ignorant charlatans with sinister motives. Yes or no? It should not be put in front of kids, any more than the theory that the sun moves round the earth should be put seriously to kids. There's as much evidence for both theories, ie none whatsoever. Yes or no? Haud the bus! My teenager's currently studying Higher RMPS (Religious, Moral and Philosophical Studies) at an urban secondary in Glasgow. Creationism is part of that particular course study and rightly so. How you can start to formulate any rational anti-creationist argument has surely to start with a basic knowledge of the creationist rationale, shirley? Denying Higher students knowledge of the most extreme and sublimely daft of religious views is not doing them any favours IMHO. That said, if these misguided 'believers' are trying to make inroads into the curriculum of primary and lower secondary school classes, then that's tantamount to the same indoctrination you see in faith schools and the vast majority of parents would oppose that, I'm sure. I'd be first in the queue.
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Post by westender on Oct 17, 2010 23:24:08 GMT -1
Haud the bus! My teenager's currently studying Higher RMPS (Religious, Moral and Philosophical Studies) at an urban secondary in Glasgow. Creationism is part of that particular course study and rightly so. "Rightly so"?? Were you subjected to creationism when you were at school? Or the tooth fairy, or the sun going round the earth? Naw. None of us were. Why was that? You can't use the word rationale with the word creationist. You can't have an argument with creationists. If this is now being talked about in the schools, well it never bloody used to be. How TF did it get in there?? Bloody pc inclusive eejits, I suspect. They are attempting to legitimise nonsense, if this is now in schools in any form. Loonies are taking over the asylum. Whose curriculum made for a better education - ours, or todays weans's? It's obvious to me.
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Post by ozneil on Oct 17, 2010 23:38:51 GMT -1
Denying Higher students knowledge of the most extreme and sublimely daft of religious views is not doing them any favours IMHO. That said, if these misguided 'believers' are trying to make inroads into the curriculum of primary and lower secondary school classes, then that's tantamount to the same indoctrination you see in faith schools and the vast majority of parents would oppose that, I'm sure. I'd be first in the queue. You mean like the "Believers" have already done with "man made Global Warming" starting in Primary & brainwashing the kids?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2010 0:12:15 GMT -1
You can't use the word rationale with the word creationist. You can't have an argument with creationists. If this is now being talked about in the schools, well it never bloody used to be. How TF did it get in there?? Bloody pc inclusive eejits, I suspect. They are attempting to legitimise nonsense, if this is now in schools in any form. Loonies are taking over the asylum. Whose curriculum made for a better education - ours, or todays weans's? It's obvious to me. I've no objection to my wean being taught about the various religious beliefs of creationists, hindus, buddhists, catholics, islamists whatever. She lives in the here and now, not in the time you and I were at school. In her school there are kids from 57 different countries of origin. I personally can see no problem whatsoever with equipping young people with the knowledge they need to try to understand the world they live in. And if that includes nutter religious beliefs, so be it. Sending them out into the world with NO knowledge of suchlike is just plain stupid. My daughter wrote an essay last week which evidenced her view against creationism and I 'm personally glad she knew enough about their point of view to make a rational argument against it. I think we have a lot more to worry about than creationist nutters myself. Bonafide religion is much more insidious, IMHO, from a country that still has faith schools.
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Post by bormes on Oct 18, 2010 15:43:48 GMT -1
Good answer Rolo, Agree with you here, I think though some others worry that the movement may gather strength and we have enough crap in our schools already as you correctly say about religious ones.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2010 18:49:08 GMT -1
Good answer Rolo, Agree with you here, I think though some others worry that the movement may gather strength and we have enough crap in our schools already as you correctly say about religious ones. Yeah, fair comment. If we believe society's being dumbed down to the extent our young people are entirely stupid, I can see why people would worry about idiotic unscientific beliefs gaining ground. I just feel, rightly or wrongly, it's better to inform and educate kids to formulate a robust rational defence against shit like this.
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Post by notanimby on Oct 19, 2010 18:55:26 GMT -1
Ah wouldnae huv relijin taught in skools at all, society should not be encouragin relijin in any form whatsoever - aprt frea guranteein ra right of peopole tae believe in whut they like.
Even acknowledjin "creationism" is tantamount tae givin it some respectability - we dont teach weans that santa claus, fairies, elves, etc are legitinmate forms of belief so why should nonsense aboot deitys be treated any diffrint
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Post by heidie on Oct 19, 2010 20:01:54 GMT -1
Here you ya greenok spilesport...ur you sayin lord o ra rings urny real annat!!!!!
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Post by ozneil on Oct 19, 2010 20:05:50 GMT -1
From SMH
Our schools offer a variety of religions to choose from 2 periods a week. People who profess none (or if ex catholics nun) were herded into a room & told to shut up.... thats where most kids did homework so ethics classes wont be to popular.
Had to have a letter from parent to be allowed to be an athiest otherwise kids could choose own religion.
Im afraid Oz isnt very PC
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Post by notanimby on Oct 19, 2010 20:07:53 GMT -1
Here you ya greenok spilesport...ur you sayin lord o ra rings urny real annat!!!!! Oi this is a board fur sensitive souls - stop talkin aboot Uranus - unlerss in an astronomy thread
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Post by notanimby on Oct 19, 2010 20:09:44 GMT -1
From SMH Our schools offer a variety of religions to choose from 2 periods a week. People who profess none (or if ex catholics nun) were herded into a room & told to shut up.... thats where most kids did homework so ethics classes wont be to popular. Had to have a letter from parent to be allowed to be an athiest otherwise kids could choose own religion. Im afraid Oz isnt very PC Will they be huvvin classes on Wethics and Suthics those other areas of Engerland?
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Post by ozneil on Oct 19, 2010 20:15:57 GMT -1
Will they be huvvin classes on Wethics and Suthics those other areas of Engerland? Doubt it, many kids get primary knowledge of thex behind the bike shed after school
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Post by Sir Henry Rawlinson on Oct 21, 2010 6:54:25 GMT -1
Technically: I was taught creationism at skool. In that the first explaination of "where we all came from" was a Bible story about some nudists in a garden. My secondary school had no problem at all in continuing to teach voodoo mumbo jumbo alongside History and Science where we all chirped up and asked where fossils fitted in with the Bible. All of the Teachers include the RE one entertained that there where more than one point of view.
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Post by notanimby on Oct 21, 2010 12:46:12 GMT -1
Technically: I was taught creationism at skool. In that the first explaination of "where we all came from" was a Bible story about some nudists in a garden. My secondary school had no problem at all in continuing to teach voodoo mumbo jumbo alongside History and Science where we all chirped up and asked where fossils fitted in with the Bible. All of the Teachers include the RE one entertained that there where more than one point of view. .......and of course we'll allow biology classes to taech that weans come frea teh cabbage patch
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