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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 0:30:55 GMT -1
And thank feck for that ;D Doubt I'm alone in being scared half to death that Romney might just have edged it. That would have been catastrophic, not only for the US but also the rest of us. Right-thinking people have prevailed--- but only just ... and it is frankly TERRIFYING that millions of US voters endorsed the fuckwit policies of Romney and his psychopathic ilk. The GOP rely on species with an IQ bordering 50, on a good day. It's no accident that their main support comes from the redneck states where you can see more intell*gent critters lying on their back in p*nds. However, left of centre values have prevailed. David Cameron must be sh*tting himself that even the normally right wing US rejects the cruel, capitalist extremes that he himself espouses. And btw now that it's all done and dusted, here's my favourite party political broadcast ever; www.youtube.com/watch?v=og35U0d6WKY
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Post by ozneil on Nov 8, 2012 0:56:34 GMT -1
Ya reckon?
The world stock markets dont like the result and like it or not they have their fingers on the economic pulse of the world.
Without a strong economy lack of investment. little expansion unemployment, poverty.
Unless he can control Congress and The Senate or come to an agreement with the Republicans they are heading for a "Fiscal Cliff" in January.
Tighten your seat belts
BTW one of our favourite posters is from a "red neck" state "where you can see more intelligent creatures lying on their back in ponds."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 1:48:42 GMT -1
Yeah, I reckon.
I reckon people have made their choice, and a good one at that.
It may come a surprise to some that not everyone's values are dictated by the bankers and stockbrokers. And that a redistribution of wealth, investment in business, healthcare reform and humane policies are not only sane but essential.
Would you have voted Romney, Oz? If so, why?
As for 'one of our favourite posters' it's a simple FACT that GOP support tends to be strongest in certain hick, nay hillbilly, states. What's your argument there?
If Peony (as an expat from one enlightened State to another less so) is offended by anything I've said, she's more than capable of saying so and I'm more than capable of hearing her.
That's good women for you ;D
The kind Romney and his ilk detest.
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Post by ozneil on Nov 8, 2012 2:18:21 GMT -1
Would you have voted Romney, Oz? If so, why? ........................ If Peony (as an expat from one enlightened State to another less so) is offended by anything I've said, she's more than capable of saying so and I'm more than capable of hearing her. That's good women for you ;D The kind Romney and his ilk detest. I honestly dont know. I dont like either. I thought Johnson and Clinton, especially Johnson, were both good men and they were both Democrat. Didnt like the Kennedys But I think Obama is a lame duck president, mostly rhetoric, so Im not sure. However I look at things as to how they are going to affect Oz. It makes a difference BTW Idaho is the most Republican State of the Union. She wont be she will just lol Knowing I'm having a sly dig.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 2:40:34 GMT -1
But I think Obama is a lame duck president, mostly rhetoric, so Im not sure. However I look at things as to how they are going to affect Oz. It makes a difference BTW Idaho is the most Republican State of the Union. She wont be she will just lol Knowing I'm having a sly dig. I believe Utah followed by Wyoming are the two most GOP states. BTW, try googling 'average IQ of population by state' and check out the map versus the election result. It's truly uncanny The Lame Duck President thing's all over the media here along with the newly invented Fiscal Cliff. Helps to read a wide selection of media and not just the constant spew from Fox/Murdoch.
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Post by ozneil on Nov 8, 2012 4:16:03 GMT -1
Ok I exaggerated its Utah then Idaho then Wyoming But depends on who you read. The other interesting thing is the vote by ethnicity. Majority of Caucasians voted Romney while the majority of Latinoes and Afro-Americans voted Obama. I dont read Murdoch press much the Australian is his, the Sydney Morning Herald is Fairfax, Channels 10, 9 & 7 on TV are very independent I think ABC is owned by PRAVDA SBS has most balanced news and current affairs programmes. Their stuff is world class ( www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/ ) Mind you its taken from all over the world. Fiscal cliff is certainly an attention grabbing thing. If Obama cant get the OK with the Republicans the US will run out of money in January. It was narrowly averted earlier this year as you know hence the headline grabbing phrase but none the less true though Im sure there will be a last minute comprise . I would have expected more progress in the US economy in the last 4 years even allowing for the 2008 crash, which couldnt be sheeted home to Obama. All that seems to have happened is US Debt increased exponentially without achieving the rate of recovery of other developed countries. Whether anyone else could have done any better is a moot point. Notwithstanding that Obama hasnt made any really significant progress. Especially if you compare him to Johnson or even Clinton Try this as an eg ------ www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/2294844598/The-Choice?from=theFilter&utm_source=You-May-Also-Like
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Post by bormes on Nov 8, 2012 6:50:39 GMT -1
In the first election, I ignored his colourand read about his voting policies to try to have a feel about the man and what he supported. He never crossed the floor to vote, ever. He never voted in ANY contentious issue, that made me think there was powerful people behind him who would support him for their reasons. He was elected and has had four years to show he had ideas and policies of his own the best or biggest being his health policy and although the idea sounds great, it is apparently a very poor system. I also think there is a huge amount of people particularly women who vote for him just because he is black, I find that very strange. Did he not also say he would stop the wars? I suspect he may well be the president who takes war to Iran, as the forces behind this idea seem to be gathering momentum and perhaps they needed a controlable man in the White House for their designs? That would explain his support because if you look at what he has done and more importantly, what he stood for, then, there is nothing to show in what he stood for in his previous terms as Senator. I do not mean I would vote for Mr Romney I would have abstained as I think they are both useless although Mr Romney has a very good record financially and personally I am totally fed up with wee boys who came from scholl to University, to reasearch for a pwerful MP then became a MP in a safe seat, then wow, became our Prime Minister and took us into illegal wars and is now off swanning around earning millions and NOT paying his tax with nall these companies in the UK in fairness he is avoiding the tax noit evading the tax, however for him to pontificate and dictate to ordinary mortals is hideous now. Again on the Obama vote, to me he is just like the Kennedy vote, all about the romatic idea of the man. Unfortunately Kennedy was a charltan and probably the worst President to look after the US financies ever. Let us hope Mr Obama is not as bad as Kennedy.
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Post by peony on Nov 8, 2012 16:12:35 GMT -1
A lame duck president is one who is serving out the last of his term (november till january 20) before a new pres takes office. We don't have a lame duck president. The problem with the Republican party is that they are "too white, too old, and too male" according to one conservative group. They need to rethink their position on things. I voted for Obama because things are very slowly getting better. I think his health care policy is not a good one, but we must start somewhere. I think this: "The GOP rely on species with an IQ bordering 50, on a good day. It's no accident that their main support comes from the redneck states where you can see more intelligent creatures lying on their back in ponds. " is unnecessarily insulting. The south is like any place, good and bad, yin and yang. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Texas This is a list of Unis in Texas. Texas A&M, University of Texas, Baylor University (especially the School of Medicine), Rice University are just a few of the really good schools here. The Museum of Natural Science in Houston is one of the top museums in the country. I don't really know how IQ can be determined from SAT scores because one measures knowledge and the other measures intelligence. These are not the same things at all. I know a lot of people who are conservatives and not idiotic. I actually know conservatives who are not worshipers of wealth and privilege. I don't think the election was as close as many are painting it to be, but I was a little nervous. I voted for Obama. I think many women supported him because of the rape comments made by a couple of senate candidates. Romney is a Mormon and they are not known for their equal treatment of women (or minorities). Anyway Idaho is ultra conservative, but it's beauty and value are in it's clean air, wilderness, and tolerance of eccentric people. I am sixty years old and have never voted in a presidential election in which my candidate won my state. I've never missed an election and nor will I. There is no real good reason for the stock market fall. The stock market has been jumpy since the housing bubble burst. The employment, housing and economic picture has returned encouraging reports in the last quarter. White males are only 34 percent of the voting population. Times are a changin', friends.
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Post by bormes on Nov 8, 2012 16:38:21 GMT -1
Personally speaking, I genuinely hope the USA revives and wish you personally good fortune Peony.
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Post by ozneil on Nov 8, 2012 18:41:29 GMT -1
Great post Peony and I certainly endorse Bormes sentiments.
Its great to hear from an ordinary intelligent someone that actually lives there
A hurried PS In case there is the possibility of a misunderstanding I consider all the regular posters in this forum have an IQ well above average
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Post by ozneil on Nov 8, 2012 19:00:08 GMT -1
Talking of Unis I see University of Texas rates no. 29 only UK unis above it in ratings are Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial College and London. Edinburgh is No 32. Glasgow is No.139
Mind you thats the Times Educational rating and its a Murdoch paper
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Post by ozneil on Nov 8, 2012 20:04:03 GMT -1
world stock markets are still sliding
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Post by peony on Nov 8, 2012 20:21:49 GMT -1
Thanks, both of you.
The US will revive. Our lives haven't changed at all really.
Maybe this term, Obama will stay home and work and not worry about winning a popularity contest in Europe. He can let his actions speak for him.
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Post by ozneil on Nov 8, 2012 20:31:14 GMT -1
Provided he follows FDR's maxim and keeps a big stick handy.
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Post by peony on Nov 8, 2012 21:09:19 GMT -1
Oh, I'm sure he has a very big stick.
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