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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 22:55:26 GMT -1
The problem with the Republican party is that they are "too white, too old, and too male" according to one conservative group. They need to rethink their position on things. I voted for Obama because things are very slowly getting better. I think his health care policy is not a good one, but we must start somewhere. I think this: "The GOP rely on species with an IQ bordering 50, on a good day. It's no accident that their main support comes from the redneck states where you can see more intelligent creatures lying on their back in ponds. " is unnecessarily insulting. The south is like any place, good and bad, yin and yang. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Texas This is a list of Unis in Texas. Texas A&M, University of Texas, Baylor University (especially the School of Medicine), Rice University are just a few of the really good schools here. The Museum of Natural Science in Houston is one of the top museums in the country. I don't really know how IQ can be determined from SAT scores because one measures knowledge and the other measures intelligence. These are not the same things at all. I know a lot of people who are conservatives and not idiotic. I actually know conservatives who are not worshipers of wealth and privilege. I don't think the election was as close as many are painting it to be, but I was a little nervous. I voted for Obama. I think many women supported him because of the rape comments made by a couple of senate candidates. Romney is a Mormon and they are not known for their equal treatment of women (or minorities). Anyway Idaho is ultra conservative, but it's beauty and value are in it's clean air, wilderness, and tolerance of eccentric people. I am sixty years old and have never voted in a presidential election in which my candidate won my state. I've never missed an election and nor will I. White males are only 34 percent of the voting population. Times are a changin', friends. Top reply, Peony, I knew you'd come back with ultimate common sense and wisdom ;D But even you can't deny that the main Republican support is in the less populated southern and midwest states because that's a fact, not a supposition. Such states as a whole are not noted for their forward-thinking, informed views. I too know (a few) conservatives that are not idiotic. I may despise their politics (and I'm thinking Ruth Davidson, Scottish Tory leader) but there's no denying her ability as a politician. I have a lot of time for Ruth because she argues her case well, and I'd aye be prepared to enter into sane debate with a Tory like herself whereas I find most of her colleagues to be objectionable, braying, privileged, ignorant bstrds. You're also right, I think, about many conservatives not worshipping wealth and privilege. Their tragedy is that their leaders always have and always will--- and are only too ready to take advantage of their 'supporters'. All in it together, so we are Finally, I'd take issue with Bormes's point that women vote Obama because of his colour. I think that's a mistaken point of view. Women vote Obama because of his policies. And don't vote Romney for the reasons Peony stated. The days when WASPs ruled the US are well and truly over, as Peony says. And as Samuel L Jackson said in the clip I posted above, Wake the F*** Up! Good debate, this! ;D
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Post by peony on Nov 8, 2012 23:27:04 GMT -1
Yep, Rolo, that portion of the country is called the Bible Belt. I have no problems with people who are christians, the problem I have is that they swallow what is fed them in whole chunks. I would not call them stupid as much as I would call them brain washed and controlled.
Much noise made here on both sides about compromise, which is the single biggest thing most voters were talking about in the news.
Perhaps they can work together. For the good of us all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 1:37:34 GMT -1
Like yourself, Peony, I've no problem with people that consider themselves christians (athough many are anything but) or indeed followers of any religion---so long as they keep their views to themselves and don't try to impose it on the rest of us. Let and let live is hardly the modus operandus of religious people though and thereby lies the tragedy. Interesting point you make about 'compromise'. We're told that Obama's seriously up against it in his second term as he's outnumbered in the House of Reps. And that his political opponents will block him just for the sake of party politics, rather than what's in the best interests of the American people. The over-riding impression I have of the US this past ten years is that there's a reluctance to change to where the world is now. And a palpable new, unsettling fear that the US is no longer the invincible world power it considered itself to be. If that leads to the US becoming more aware and less bullish, then that can only be good. You guys have been so isolated for so long in a right-wing hell. So halle-effing-lujah that sense prevailed.
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Post by notanimby on Nov 9, 2012 8:51:03 GMT -1
The problem with the Republican party is that they are "too white, too old, and too male" according to one conservative group. They need to rethink their position on things. I voted for Obama because things are very slowly getting better. I think his health care policy is not a good one, but we must start somewhere. I think this: "The GOP rely on species with an IQ bordering 50, on a good day. It's no accident that their main support comes from the redneck states where you can see more intelligent creatures lying on their back in ponds. " is unnecessarily insulting. The south is like any place, good and bad, yin and yang. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Texas This is a list of Unis in Texas. Texas A&M, University of Texas, Baylor University (especially the School of Medicine), Rice University are just a few of the really good schools here. The Museum of Natural Science in Houston is one of the top museums in the country. I don't really know how IQ can be determined from SAT scores because one measures knowledge and the other measures intelligence. These are not the same things at all. I know a lot of people who are conservatives and not idiotic. I actually know conservatives who are not worshipers of wealth and privilege. I don't think the election was as close as many are painting it to be, but I was a little nervous. I voted for Obama. I think many women supported him because of the rape comments made by a couple of senate candidates. Romney is a Mormon and they are not known for their equal treatment of women (or minorities). Anyway Idaho is ultra conservative, but it's beauty and value are in it's clean air, wilderness, and tolerance of eccentric people. I am sixty years old and have never voted in a presidential election in which my candidate won my state. I've never missed an election and nor will I. White males are only 34 percent of the voting population. Times are a changin', friends. Top reply, Peony, I knew you'd come back with ultimate common sense and wisdom ;D But even you can't deny that the main Republican support is in the less populated southern and midwest states because that's a fact, not a supposition. Such states as a whole are not noted for their forward-thinking, informed views. I too know (a few) conservatives that are not idiotic. I may despise their politics (and I'm thinking Ruth Davidson, Scottish Tory leader) but there's no denying her ability as a politician. I have a lot of time for Ruth because she argues her case well, and I'd aye be prepared to enter into sane debate with a Tory like herself whereas I find most of her colleagues to be objectionable, braying, privileged, ignorant bstrds. You're also right, I think, about many conservatives not worshipping wealth and privilege. Their tragedy is that their leaders always have and always will--- and are only too ready to take advantage of their 'supporters'. All in it together, so we are Finally, I'd take issue with Bormes's point that women vote Obama because of his colour. I think that's a mistaken point of view. Women vote Obama because of his policies. And don't vote Romney for the reasons Peony stated. The days when WASPs ruled the US are well and truly over, as Peony says. And as Samuel L Jackson said in the clip I posted above, Wake the F*** Up! Good debate, this! ;D (and I'm thinking Ruth Davidson, Scottish Tory leader) but there's no denying her ability as a politician. haw haw haw FFS haw haw haw She's worse than useless - have you ever seen her in action on FMQs - totally shite. Not only that she's so useless even her boss Cameron doesn't bother with her or her thoughts Remember her "line in teh sand" about devolution having gone far enough, the words were hardly out of her gub, when cameron started promising jam tomorrow She's gaff prone, ignorant and sounds like someone just spouting from a script - just like Lamont in fact Auntie Annabel must be black-affrontit aboot getting replaced by this erse. Even Murdo Fraser would have been better than her and he's a complete wanker Fo rsomeone from a media background she's useless when in front of the camera - christ i've seen better frae the school debating society
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Post by peony on Nov 9, 2012 12:42:02 GMT -1
Like yourself, Peony, I've no problem with people that consider themselves christians (athough many are anything but) or indeed followers of any religion---so long as they keep their views to themselves and don't try to impose it on the rest of us. Let and let live is hardly the modus operandus of religious people though and thereby lies the tragedy. Interesting point you make about 'compromise'. We're told that Obama's seriously up against it in his second term as he's outnumbered in the House of Reps. And that his political opponents will block him just for the sake of party politics, rather than what's in the best interests of the American people. The over-riding impression I have of the US this past ten years is that there's a reluctance to change to where the world is now. And a palpable new, unsettling fear that the US is no longer the invincible world power it considered itself to be. If that leads to the US becoming more aware and less bullish, then that can only be good. You guys have been so isolated for so long in a right-wing hell. So halle-effing-lujah that sense prevailed. If both sides don't compromise then all is lost. I am not sure when compromise got to be a dirty word, but it's seen by some as denying your own moral stance. There is a large contingent of folk who are aware of our poor behavior (in many cases) abroad. I think as people travel more that number will expand. It takes a certain maturity to acknowledge our faults. We are slowly coming to it. Number one on our list of to do should be to stop sending money anywhere else until we have NO hunger or ignorance that is not offered a solution. We need to start looking at better mass transit. Even a city the size of Houston (4th largest in the country) doesn't have a good system. We need to take care of our own problems and let others take care of theirs. I'm really tired of our foibles here at home mattering to others. We will be better in the future and we will sometimes be worse. The sooner that China or the EU takes over as SUPER POWER the better, as far as I'm concerned. The really good news of this election is that the old power structure in in shambles. Karl Rove spent 300 million on a few different elections and only got one person elected. I am just smiling all day over that. Oh, also I think a lot of that fear you see stems from 9/11. I wish we were as advanced as Norway in our response to a terrorist act. It could have made us better, but it didn't . . . (at least right now).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 19:19:41 GMT -1
[ If both sides don't compromise then all is lost. I am not sure when compromise got to be a dirty word, but it's seen by some as denying your own moral stance. There is a large contingent of folk who are aware of our poor behavior (in many cases) abroad. I think as people travel more that number will expand. It takes a certain maturity to acknowledge our faults. We are slowly coming to it. Number one on our list of to do should be to stop sending money anywhere else until we have NO hunger or ignorance that is not offered a solution. We need to start looking at better mass transit. Even a city the size of Houston (4th largest in the country) doesn't have a good system. We need to take care of our own problems and let others take care of theirs. I'm really tired of our foibles here at home mattering to others. We will be better in the future and we will sometimes be worse. The sooner that China or the EU takes over as SUPER POWER the better, as far as I'm concerned. The really good news of this election is that the old power structure in in shambles. Karl Rove spent 300 million on a few different elections and only got one person elected. I am just smiling all day over that. Oh, also I think a lot of that fear you see stems from 9/11. I wish we were as advanced as Norway in our response to a terrorist act. It could have made us better, but it didn't . . . (at least right now). Peony, I wish people like you became politicians. I agree with you about the travel thing. It's been the single biggest life benefit to me and mine; we've been lucky in seeing how things are in other countries, the perspective is beyond price. There is a substantial view here in the UKE as well, regarding sending cash aid abroad to (particularly) India and other corrupt regimes while, as you say, there are serious issues of (relative) poverty at home. On mass transit, again I agree. The reliance on cars has always been greater in the US than the UKE but we've caught up fast. Public transport here has the most horrible connotation of being 'for poor people'. Such a backward way of thinking. Loving that you're smiling over Rove's failure. He's getting a serious bashing in the press here as well. ;D There has been much comment over the billions spent in persuading voters to just simply choose between two men. And I may say, many news clips where the general US public condemns the mainly negative campaigning style of both parties. And yes, right again, what I said about 'fear' WAS about 9/11. Of course the horror shocked the US to the core and I imagine caused many to question the previous assumption of 'immunity' to terrorism. But the fact that the majority of US people have, for the last four and the next four years, rejected aggressive war-mongering foreign policy, is cause for hope and celebration for so many of us across the water. I doubt humanity is going to be the prime mover in Western politics in my lifetime but...I hope that in Scotland we're moving towards a whole new political model of ambition and entrepreneurship, underpinned by a social conscience. I'll likely get pelters for being a bit of a dreamer but hey, I'm not the only one...
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Post by ozneil on Nov 9, 2012 19:45:36 GMT -1
If both sides don't compromise then all is lost. I am not sure when compromise got to be a dirty word, but it's seen by some as denying your own moral stance. There is a large contingent of folk who are aware of our poor behavior (in many cases) abroad. I think as people travel more that number will expand. It takes a certain maturity to acknowledge our faults. We are slowly coming to it. Number one on our list of to do should be to stop sending money anywhere else until we have NO hunger or ignorance that is not offered a solution. We need to start looking at better mass transit. Even a city the size of Houston (4th largest in the country) doesn't have a good system. We need to take care of our own problems and let others take care of theirs. I'm really tired of our foibles here at home mattering to others. We will be better in the future and we will sometimes be worse. The sooner that China or the EU takes over as SUPER POWER the better, as far as I'm concerned. The really good news of this election is that the old power structure in in shambles. Karl Rove spent 300 million on a few different elections and only got one person elected. I am just smiling all day over that. Oh, also I think a lot of that fear you see stems from 9/11. I wish we were as advanced as Norway in our response to a terrorist act. It could have made us better, but it didn't . . . (at least right now). Gee Peony You have just described our problems too. Too much money been spent on overseas aid when our own indigenous and poor people need help. A transport system in Sydney that is rapidly going into gridlock which the government has no real will to sort I disagree with you on superpower thing. We (the world) needs US as a counterbalance to China. China is expanding its armed forces and gently probing. See the claims made against Japan, South Korea and Vietnam for Islands in the China seas. All over SE Asia and indeed here their are Chinese business men beavering away. I believe the Chinese Aid flowing into Africa is phenomenal. Apart from the US there is no one capable of stopping them if they use armed force. The EU will never be a cohesive world force ... they just aint interested. Indiamay start flexing its muscles as its population expands.'' Regarding Americans abroad. Here and where I have travelled they just are ordinary people some loud mouthed bastards just like any other nation including Oz and UK but most just there looking round behaving themselves having a good time and blending in. As travel becomes cheaper more and more ordinary people like me will travel and hopefully get to know other people and make friendships. I still have Scottish friends I was going to say so and so people were much worse but it would be impossible to differentiate between the nationalities they are all just people. all generally friendly and mostly happy. Particularly the backpackers they are usually a very good advertisement for their countries of origin I would say the Chinese here are the most fun If we go to crime committed by foreigners here we find Brits are far ahead of anyone else!!! Mind you the most common crime they commit is overstaying visa and who would blame them
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 20:35:33 GMT -1
You are right, Oz. The EU has no pretensions or ambitions to become a superpower. We're more sophisticated than that Just wanna ensure a decent standard of living for the majority of our people. Not interested in the rutting stag, power at all costs mentality. China's a bit scary, if you get scared by that kind of posturing. For a decade or two it has suited big Western businesses and their greedy shareholders to contract out to China so as to maximise their profits. But I believe that people are finally waking the F*** up to the realities of investing in modern-day China, in particular their truly abysmal human rights record. I have boycotted Chinese goods, particularly toys and children's clothes, for 20 years now. I doubt the Chinese Army's about to invade Europe--or any other country come to that, any time soon. Why would they? Communism has never been an overriding political force, nor will it ever be.
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Post by ozneil on Nov 9, 2012 20:43:15 GMT -1
China's a bit scary, if you get scared by that kind of posturing. For a decade or two it has suited big Western businesses and their greedy shareholders to contract out to China so as to maximise their profits. But I believe that people are finally waking the F*** up to the realities of investing in modern-day China, in particular their truly abysmal human rights record. I have boycotted Chinese goods, particularly toys and children's clothes, for 20 years now. I doubt the Chinese Army's about to invade Europe--or any other country come to that, any time soon. Why would they? Communism has never been an overriding political force, nor will it ever be. We have things China needs; food, minerals, fossil fuels, uranium, space. They are now our biggest trading partner If they put their mind to it we couldnt stop them. With US remaining a mighty power we have have relative safety
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 21:52:35 GMT -1
Bejasus, Oz, you're sounding like an episode of V.
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Post by ozneil on Nov 9, 2012 22:58:13 GMT -1
Bejasus, Oz, you're sounding like an episode of V. ;D What the hell is "V"? Henry V? The Japs tried it in 1942
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Post by notanimby on Nov 10, 2012 7:37:41 GMT -1
Bejasus, Oz, you're sounding like an episode of V. ;D What the hell is "V"? Henry V? The Japs tried it in 1942
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Post by ozneil on Nov 10, 2012 19:26:12 GMT -1
Checked "V" never watched it.
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Post by notanimby on Nov 10, 2012 20:24:59 GMT -1
Checked "V" never watched it. There were 3 series, original one back in @1984, the second not long after, then it got redone three or four years ago
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Post by ozneil on Nov 10, 2012 23:42:22 GMT -1
ah was probably on "Grand Tour" when first came out
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