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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 20:03:40 GMT -1
All this week the debate's been raging at Glasgow University. High profile advocates from both sides of the divide have been talking to students in the run up to the vote today. Results are due shortly. And awaited with bated breath by both camps, as our young people's views will very likely hold the key to the eventual result in autumn 2014. So many adults have become apathetic, as in low voter turnout for both UK and Scottish elections, and even lower for local council ones, it's good to see young people taking such an interest in how they can influence how their society turns out. I predict good news for the YES campaign tonight.
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Post by stan on Feb 21, 2013 20:37:16 GMT -1
A mock referendum among students on Scottish independence has resulted in a large majority in favour of staying within the UK.
Students at the University of Glasgow were balloted using the same question as will be used in the referendum itself, due next year.
When asked "should Scotland be an independent country?", 62% (1614) voted no, while 38% (967) said yes.
Only 2589 (13%) of the university's 20,000 students took part in the poll.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 23:03:10 GMT -1
38% voting yes is way above the current polls that stated support for Indy was at 29% in the general population ;D And 87% of Glasgow Uni students have yet to make their minds up, those that will vote in 2014, many for the first time. Generally, people hate change and it's the undecided that will swing it either way. So it's all to play for, let the informed debate commence!
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Post by westender on Feb 22, 2013 17:37:45 GMT -1
A predictably completely pointless exercise. The uni population isn't representative of Scotland's population, and it was always going to be the case that apathy generally rules among students. Nothing will drag them away from checking their gadget's updates every 2 seconds... fuckwits
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Post by westender on Feb 22, 2013 17:38:34 GMT -1
A mock referendum among students on Scottish independence has resulted in a large majority in favour of staying within the UK. A 'large majority' of fuck all, is fuck all.
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Post by bormes on Feb 23, 2013 8:22:46 GMT -1
Let us hope that sense will prevail and people will see that since the beginning the Scots have paid more than their fair share to the UK economy, the UK Govt. particularly under Wilson ruined our education system and our young men in wars had the highest casualty rate, we have been ruled by a kind of VERY English "stiff upper lip system" That is what the media and Governments over the centuries have had people duped into striving for. We Scots are different, we are independent minded and fair minded folk, we are NOT English nor do I wish to be, although I do not dislike them, I prefer the company of the Scot and the diligence to hard work and fairness of the Scot.
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Post by notanimby on Feb 23, 2013 9:36:33 GMT -1
I see the unionists much vaunted AAA credit rating has went down the shitter
Haw haw haw haw haw haw haw
Apparently Scotland wouldn't have a AAA rating if independent and the sky would fall in, well we don't have one in the union either now
Haw haw haw, Westminster fannies and bawbags triumph again
Haw haw haw
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 20:27:25 GMT -1
A predictably completely pointless exercise. The uni population isn't representative of Scotland's population, and it was always going to be the case that apathy generally rules among students. Nothing will drag them away from checking their gadget's updates every 2 seconds... fuckwits You're right about the student population being relatively unrepresentative, Westie, certainly in terms of Scottish born students being at Glasgow Uni. A great many are international students and by that I include England and Europe, so yes, there was never going to be a huge turnout. But that the debate's being had, and 38% voted yes has to be good news. I spoke to the wean about the turnout, her view was that the vast majority of her friends in 2nd year were under pressure to hand in essays this week and burning the midnight oil in the library. She's there till 8 most nights after classes; these kids are working harder than I ever did and worrying about their futures. So I sure hope they find time to consider the indy debate as 'their future' too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 21:01:15 GMT -1
A mock referendum among students on Scottish independence has resulted in a large majority in favour of staying within the UK. Students at the University of Glasgow were balloted using the same question as will be used in the referendum itself, due next year. When asked "should Scotland be an independent country?", 62% (1614) voted no, while 38% (967) said yes. Only 2589 (13%) of the university's 20,000 students took part in the poll. Given you've helicoptered in on a single thread, Stan, I can only surmise you've a view on Independence? Most folks here who have a view are upfront about it, and give their reasons why. And we're far from all on the same page.... It's a bit grownup around here that way.... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 21:30:00 GMT -1
I see the unionists much vaunted AAA credit rating has went down the shitter Haw haw haw haw haw haw haw Apparently Scotland wouldn't have a AAA rating if independent and the sky would fall in, well we don't have one in the union either now Haw haw haw, Westminster fannies and bawbags triumph again Haw haw haw And aren't they falling over themselves to try and save face today? The wholly negative, anti-Indy tactics are being blown apart daily. However, bigger picture, this isn't good news for the UKE. It will cost us more to borrow now and this will increase, not decrease, the country's horrendous debt. We ornery folks've mostly been spending less and paying down debts instead. Never a bad idea, imv. Now we need to increase people's disposable income whether via tax adjustments or (probably better) revising the 20% VAT rate downwards. And something needs done sharpish about fuel taxation, IMV. Not necessarily to help out people who can't live without their cars but because the cost of fuel influences the price of everything to a huge extent. And I object to paying VAT on simply heating my home. We're an energy rich country, FFS!
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Post by bormes on Feb 23, 2013 22:45:17 GMT -1
Everything you say above is correct Rolo, forget stan he is a prick not worth mentioning. Our fuel is horrific, even in France to fill my vehicle is £30 cheaper every time I fill and my fuel for my boiler is only 20 percent of the price of the oil at the pumps whereas in the UK the "red diesel" is no longer, it is all taxed. We helped out the banks but I can not help but think we should not have, we had a POSB system through the Post Office that could have used the money pumped into these banks and they would have loaned to the small businesses unlike the banks just now who are only paying off the govt. so that they can carry on in the way they did before with us saving them !! Big business being helped by big politicians and no care for the ordinary "man" Europe is finished if it keeps on the way it is going. The talk about less resources and climate change and ALL the other ills we face could be helped by " birth control" If world leaders had the balls to speak and do something about that everything else would be lesser. Forget charging £20 for an international flight, a joke and patronising, birth control will help ALL our problems immediately.
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Post by stan on Feb 24, 2013 20:47:24 GMT -1
...........And we're far from all on the same page.... "far from all on the same page" ?? Maist Separatists urnae even oan the same planet.
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Post by bormes on Feb 25, 2013 12:45:34 GMT -1
So if Scotland did return to being again an independent country, stan, would you and your like go and stay in your union of other nations who will of course still be run by england? would some of those unionists sell up and go or would they stay and become a thorn in the flesh of Scottish politicians, or just try to enjoy the possible benefits or in fairness the possible mayhem? What would you do stan? Genuinely interested as there are many, many who think like you do and fortunately many who think like we do and NO MATTER who wins there HAS to be consideration given to BOTH sides surely?
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Post by notanimby on Feb 25, 2013 16:20:53 GMT -1
I see the unionists much vaunted AAA credit rating has went down the shitter Haw haw haw haw haw haw haw Apparently Scotland wouldn't have a AAA rating if independent and the sky would fall in, well we don't have one in the union either now Haw haw haw, Westminster fannies and bawbags triumph again Haw haw haw And aren't they falling over themselves to try and save face today? The wholly negative, anti-Indy tactics are being blown apart daily. However, bigger picture, this isn't good news for the UKE. It will cost us more to borrow now and this will increase, not decrease, the country's horrendous debt. We ornery folks've mostly been spending less and paying down debts instead. Never a bad idea, imv. Now we need to increase people's disposable income whether via tax adjustments or (probably better) revising the 20% VAT rate downwards. And something needs done sharpish about fuel taxation, IMV. Not necessarily to help out people who can't live without their cars but because the cost of fuel influences the price of everything to a huge extent. And I object to paying VAT on simply heating my home. We're an energy rich country, FFS! Even that prick, fanny Alexander is now saying losing triple A status doesn't mean much, DESPITE him saying last year that an independent Scotland wouldn't have it and the sky would fall in etc etc etc Whit a wanker!
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Post by bormes on Feb 25, 2013 16:34:09 GMT -1
If he wore a dress he would be indistinguishable from his ugly sister!! He was a great " friend" of the o' bigot cardinal, wonder if any worms will come out of this can?? Speaking of worms, funny how silence has been thrown over the "sudden" death of the self appointed Celtic spokesman McBride in Pakistan and his normally verbose media attention loving "pal" anwar, by now there would normally have been plenty written about his death, funny why they do not want any attention? Strathclyde police have a large file on McBride and Anwar, pity it is not public.
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