Bedroom Tax--IMPORTANT!

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Mar 16, 2013 20:20:48 GMT -1 @gilmorehill said:

If the SNP Government were brave and bold enough to clearly lay out the pros as well as cons of Indy, then I am convinced they would have my vote. I would for just once in my lifetime have a government or political party to come clean and tell us the whole truth.

If for saying sake, Wee Eck was to tell us, 'look folks it's not going to be all sweetness and light, some things will change that you never thought possible....' If one politician had the guts to put all the facts up front - then I am sure I would consider then worthy of my vote.

Until such time, I'm reading, I'm asking questions and I've learned that I have more questions than answers and I'm still in the undecided camp but I know that one day, I'll come off the fence.

Fair comment, Gilly, so many people I talk to are saying the same thing.
There's two kinds of voter, isn't there? Those who vote for purely selfish reasons (will I have a few more quid in my pocket?) and those who vote more for the greater good. No change there then. ;D

All I can say is, as someone who's actively working for the Yes Campaign, is that it's all about timing. Neither side's showing their hand at the moment, understandably, for all the reasons Nota's mentioned.

I agree there are a whole bunch of questions still to be answered, but I know that many will be --and well in advance of the vote in 2014: other outcomes will, as Nota says, be dependent on the post-Indy government in power come 2016 in Scotland.

Meanwhile the NO campaign continue to scaremonger over us being able to afford welfare benefits, over defence, over NHS, over education post Indy. The response will be robust, but only when the time's right

Just one wee thing to think about for now; there's much talk about Scotland's share of the national debt post Indy. But NO TALK AT ALL about the fact that Scotland owns the exact same share of ALL UK assets as we do the national debt.. Let's call it 9-10% for the sake of argument?

And can I just say again that the YES campaign is all-party and no-party. You don't need to be aligned to any party to believe in the principle of self-determination.

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By the way, back on the bedroom tax, a Scottish lady, disabled by MS, has today been told to pay up £9.96 per week for her spare bedroom, where her carer stays overnight to help her with her most basic needs.

If this lady 'sacked' her carer and opted to go into hospital or private care, what would it cost the taxpayer? More than £9.96 a week? You reckon?

I'm fucking appalled at this direct attack on people who are already struggling, infirm and unable (NOT unwilling) to work.

Concentrate the resources on rooting out the feckless and the cheaters, not the deserving. But hey I forgot, tis a Tory government, and they just LOVE to kick people when they're down. Plus ca change.

[bormes]

Agree with you Rolo, however it is not just the Tories who do that.

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Maybe not, Bormes, but they sure have it down to a fine art

If all the taxes unpaid by big cheating conglomerates were paid into the treasury tomorrow, the country's debt would be wiped out.

Meanwhile Vince Cable (Vince Cable!) has been quoted as saying that if Scots vote YES in 2014 they'll be cut out of current plans to issue shares in the publicly-owned RBS to UK citizens. That really takes the fecking biscuit.

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Mar 17, 2013 18:31:14 GMT -1 @rolo said:

Maybe not, Bormes, but they sure have it down to a fine art

If all the taxes unpaid by big cheating conglomerates were paid into the treasury tomorrow, the country's debt would be wiped out.

Meanwhile Vince Cable (Vince Cable!) has been quoted as saying that if Scots vote YES in 2014 they'll be cut out of current plans to issue shares in the publicly-owned RBS to UK citizens. That really takes the fecking biscuit.

Imagine that........... When it failed it was a Scottish bank, but when being refloated and cheap shares going, it's back to being NOT S coltish again

WHO WOULD HUV THUNK IT?

[bormes]

Good point nota!!
At least with the Tories Rolo we know what to expect, I can not get over bliar and how he did worse than the Tories and he purported to be a socialist !!
Also turned out to be a bigger warmonger than even thatcher!!

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Mar 16, 2013 22:42:15 GMT -1 @rolo said:

By the way, back on the bedroom tax, a Scottish lady, disabled by MS, has today been told to pay up £9.96 per week for her spare bedroom, where her carer stays overnight to help her with her most basic needs.

If this lady 'sacked' her carer and opted to go into hospital or private care, what would it cost the taxpayer? More than £9.96 a week? You reckon?

I'm fucking appalled at this direct attack on people who are already struggling, infirm and unable (NOT unwilling) to work.

Concentrate the resources on rooting out the feckless and the cheaters, not the deserving. But hey I forgot, tis a Tory government, and they just LOVE to kick people when they're down. Plus ca change.

And I'm f*cking appalled again today that a mentally ill young man's benefits have been reinstated by ATOS----MONTHS after he threw himself off the Forth Bridge to his death. Read it and weep.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/heartbroken-dad-reveals-agony-decision-2343897

WHAT THE FECK are we allowing here? This hideous Westminster government is driving the poorest, the sickest, and the least able in our society to utter despair.

All the while propping up the rights of global conglomerates to evade paying due and fair tax for trading in the UKE, and all the while driving media campaigns like the fecking Daily Fail's, to impose the view that ALL welfare claimants are lazy, feckless amoebae.

NOT IN MY NAME.

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Just reflecting on the bedroom tax again in the light of the sudden loss of our Aunt Jean.

The feisty, independent Jean worked from 16 to 60 while taking on sole caring duties for her widowed mother. They had a council flat in Blairdardie since 1969, having been temporarily housed in the prefabs at Knightswood post-war.

Had Jean not suddenly left us last month, it was only a matter of time until she was required to a) pay up for the spare bedroom she had from her Old Age Pension or 2) been forced to move, after 45 years of tenancy, to a smaller flat, of which very few are available and most certainly way distant from the community she contributed so much to.

I suppose I'm glad, in some small way, that she was spared from having to face stark choices in her mid-80s.
Yet SO many more just like her WILL have to if this fecking unsavoury, cruel, nasty government's allowed to run rampant over what we all value.

btw. Jean's father, Mr Rolo's grandad, was horrifically wounded in WW1. His name's on the roll call on the war memorial in Central Station.

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Frankly I think this is AGAIN all about London and the South East, THEY are so short in housing (loads of immigrants you see!!lol) that THEY have decreed that the whole country will suffer.
I do however think if Labour had been in power the SAME or similar type of event would have taken place.
Both Tory and Labour are pretty rotten we have such a poor choice, constantly let down.

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Well we all know, historically, what the Tories think of Scotland.

What's MORE upsetting is how New Labour have seen fit to ditch their principles and toe the capitalist line. They're in self-protection, pigs at the trough mode. It's all about self-interest.

And they're so up themselves, so isolated from reality, they don't realise we're onto them PAH!

UKIP will make HUGE gains in England this coming year (eeeek!) while the SNP continue to rule by a large majority in Scotland (doing a great job of delivering their stated manifesto... and some!)

Let us AWAY, come September 2014. WE will decide what's best for Scotland.

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A wee bit different I know. Here the Housing Commission (HC) (welfare housing) took over dockers houses from the dock people. They were in shocking condition.

One house in particular in Merriman Street. Millers Point (Look at Google Earth for $1m dollar views from it) was lived in by a little old widow. She had lived there for over 50 years. The house was in technical terms completely buggered. The HC moved her out (just down the road). We rehabilitated it, Internal bathroom, tat, fitted carpets the lot.

The HC then moved her back in as they had promised . Some public servants have a heart. She used to walk by most days to inspect the work. She was a great favourite of the tradies

It was her daughter that spilled the beans to the press

Yet the pollies are trying to do the same here as in Scotland....... they wont get away with it. They are offering people who "downsize" cheaper rents. Its voluntary


PPS The builder bought the lady , at his own expense, Security doors, venetian blinds and light fittings .

[magpie]

If you can't pay your bedroom tax in South Ayrshire expect a fine of £400, repossession and your kids taken into care.


Today James Douglas, will hopefully be discussing this today when he is interviewed by govan radio please tune in
www.sunnygovanradio.com/listenlive.php



This seems very harsh if it is true.

[bormes]

Rolo, why have the SNP not followed through on their manifesto PROMISE to do away with rates and bring in a local income tax. I think that would have helped their/our cause.

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Nov 2, 2013 10:18:46 GMT -1 magpie said:

If you can't pay your bedroom tax in South Ayrshire expect a fine of £400, repossession and your kids taken into care.


Today James Douglas, will hopefully be discussing this today when he is interviewed by govan radio please tune in
www.sunnygovanradio.com/listenlive.php



This seems very harsh if it is true.

The LIEBOOR-SCUM party and the Tory scum being "Better Together" in this council. It is a coalition ran council

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Nov 2, 2013 11:49:08 GMT -1 bormes said:

Rolo, why have the SNP not followed through on their manifesto PROMISE to do away with rates and bring in a local income tax. I think that would have helped their/our cause.

Bormes, the Holyrood government's White Paper, laying out the plans for an Independent Scotland will be revealed on the 28th November.

I for one hope a local income tax will be part of those plans. ;D