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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2013 23:35:55 GMT -1
This truly hideous Tory/Lib Dem coalition propose to charge council tenants for 'spare bedrooms'. They will be charged extra rent on rooms used for: 1)Any offspring who serve in the forces on tours of duty 2) Foster children 3) Carers staying over intermittently 4) Student children studying away from home in termtime. 5)Divorced parents who have their kids to stay In the vote at Westminster today, four out of 59 Scottish MPs voted FOR this truly awful punitive measure. They are @davidmundellmp @michaelmooremp @acarmichaelmp @joswinson However despite 91% of Scottish MPs voting AGAINST the measure, this despicable Westminster government are going ahead and imposing this. Guys, I'm not one for scare tactics---that's the sole preserve of the NO Campaign but in this instance I am very very frightened that if Scotland votes NO in the Referendum in 2014 much much MUCH worse is to come. PLEASE be aware, talk to your friends, neebs, workmates and let us PLEASE take our chances and cut away from these utter bastards. (btw, I've said here before that people who can well afford to give up their council homes---like big Lottery winners etc--should think about doing so. But ultimately that's for their conscience...)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 19:35:06 GMT -1
So, no takers on the Bedroom Tax issue?
Does ANYONE here believe it's the right and moral thing to impose?
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Post by bormes on Mar 2, 2013 6:59:08 GMT -1
Sorry Rolo, It is totally wrong. They are trying to do something about the evident amount of misuse and even with the tiny amount of misuse they and the media are full of this while Starbucks and their ilk LOVE these stories as they can be forgotten and their friendly politicians can chase the bogey man elsewhere amongst the ordinary folk. There is SOOOOOOO MUCH they could be doing to bankers and international companies that getting even one to pay the correct amount of tax would cancel out all the cost of unemployed completely!!
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Post by notanimby on Mar 2, 2013 8:39:07 GMT -1
I know of a few folks caught up in this pish - they are worried, not just of this pish but of what will come next too Some of the folks live in multi-storey flats in Inverclyde These flats, teh 3 blocks in Port Glasgow are all only to be for pensioners or disabled folks - no children under 10 allowed to stay there overnight. Many of these flats (these are brilliant well maintained and looked after building of 15 storeys) are mostly 2 bedroom - as most tenants are pensioners or vulnerable folk then they are screwed - the waiting list for thesse flats is years long
There's a similar block in Greenock too - full of folk who through no fault of their own live in modets two-bedroom homes.
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Post by bormes on Mar 2, 2013 16:30:49 GMT -1
unfair in the EXTREME.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2013 9:11:36 GMT -1
Just logged on and saw this thread after an absence.
This Coalition Govt of Westminster is doing nothing for the ordinary man or woman in my view. It has centered itself on big business and big bucks, sustaining the rich and robbing the poor. It is truly an awful time for people in this country on limited means.
I am still undecided about Independence, sometimes I am swayed and guess I am a floating voter on this issue. I realise that one day, I am going to have to make up my mind but my criticism is that there is very little in the way of detail as to how we can sustain, achieve and prosper. I don't want to be persuaded by the Braveheart syndrome - I want to see the educated, evidenced views put before me - not scaremongering.
I think the time has come though to protest strongly about the cuts to welfare for those who need it most, time to cut immigration, time to cut tax relief for the rich, time to get those who are scroungers off the benefits system and into work. Time to rebuild this country.
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Post by bormes on Mar 5, 2013 11:16:23 GMT -1
Very fair comment from gilmorehill, I agree as also feel very angry at the previous govt., who were in power for so long and did even less, in fact did so much to cause this mess. We have had hundreds of years of unfairness from London, just as the other parts of England have had the same unfairness. A tiny example is the money spent on the arts, 50percent is spent in London ALONE. The north east has 3 percent and the rest of England does not add up to more than what London has spent on it. Everything is cantered in the South East. And Home Counties. At least we can stand on our own two feet and be responsible for ourselves and we will make mistakes but we will not be illegal wars and we can have a superior education system again. Sooner the better. Glad you are back Gilmore.
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Post by notanimby on Mar 5, 2013 18:01:23 GMT -1
Just logged on and saw this thread after an absence. This Coalition Govt of Westminster is doing nothing for the ordinary man or woman in my view. It has centered itself on big business and big bucks, sustaining the rich and robbing the poor. It is truly an awful time for people in this country on limited means. I am still undecided about Independence, sometimes I am swayed and guess I am a floating voter on this issue. I realise that one day, I am going to have to make up my mind but my criticism is that there is very little in the way of detail as to how we can sustain, achieve and prosper. I don't want to be persuaded by the Braveheart syndrome - I want to see the educated, evidenced views put before me - not scaremongering. I think the time has come though to protest strongly about the cuts to welfare for those who need it most, time to cut immigration, time to cut tax relief for the rich, time to get those who are scroungers off the benefits system and into work. Time to rebuild this country. GH The Scottish Government will be publishing heir ideas/plans soon But in the meantime, f you google Scottish Democratic Alliance, you'll find plenty of info and detail from this new political arty and their ideas they'll be pushing for in an independent Scotland They seem to be a centrist party but with some good ideas, around defence and a constitution. Most of what you think as detail will be down to whoever becomes our first elected independent Scotland
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 20:40:40 GMT -1
Just logged on and saw this thread after an absence. This Coalition Govt of Westminster is doing nothing for the ordinary man or woman in my view. It has centered itself on big business and big bucks, sustaining the rich and robbing the poor. It is truly an awful time for people in this country on limited means. I am still undecided about Independence, sometimes I am swayed and guess I am a floating voter on this issue. I realise that one day, I am going to have to make up my mind but my criticism is that there is very little in the way of detail as to how we can sustain, achieve and prosper. I don't want to be persuaded by the Braveheart syndrome - I want to see the educated, evidenced views put before me - not scaremongering. I think the time has come though to protest strongly about the cuts to welfare for those who need it most, time to cut immigration, time to cut tax relief for the rich, time to get those who are scroungers off the benefits system and into work. Time to rebuild this country. Welcome back again, Gilly ;D I totally get what you mean. If I thought independence was about being Braveheartian, I'd have run a country mile by now. That whole 'Wha's like us' thing is not what Indy's about. Like yourself, I believe it's about intelligent, informed debate about what's ultimately best for the Scottish people. Decided by the Scottish people. At the moment the NO Campaign are giving it knee-jerk scaremongering left, right and centre, trying to pre-empt the Yes Campaign's much more considered setting out of their stall. Currently about 20% of the Scottish population are undecided-- which shows they're taking an intelligent approach and awaiting concrete info on the pros and cons. Fair enough ;D I do know that positive proposals for every area of Scottish life after a YES vote will be made public in the coming weeks by the Yes Campaign. Ultimately you/we can only weigh up the concrete versus the scaremongering and try to navigate what the facts actually are. But I couldn't agree more with your view re the current hideous coalition. Even if Indy wasn't seriously on the cards next year I'd still object with every fibre of my being to Coalition values.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2013 18:49:10 GMT -1
Scottish LibDem leader Willie Rennie supports the bedroom tax at party conference today. Quelle surprise www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-21816112Interestingly, Nick Clegg, in his conference speech, urged party members to work to win more LibDem seats. Fucking hypocrite LibDem, like ALL MPs are elected to serve the members of their constituency first and foremost. He's so desperate for power he seems to have forgotten that tiny detail. Hell mend him, and he'll realise the folly of his ways come autumn 2014.
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Post by notanimby on Mar 16, 2013 19:03:14 GMT -1
Migrit Crunt was railing against the tax too, despite her part saying they would keep it, the LIEBOOR SCUM lot don't seem to have a clue either
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2013 20:20:48 GMT -1
If the SNP Government were brave and bold enough to clearly lay out the pros as well as cons of Indy, then I am convinced they would have my vote. I would for just once in my lifetime have a government or political party to come clean and tell us the whole truth.
If for saying sake, Wee Eck was to tell us, 'look folks it's not going to be all sweetness and light, some things will change that you never thought possible....' If one politician had the guts to put all the facts up front - then I am sure I would consider then worthy of my vote.
Until such time, I'm reading, I'm asking questions and I've learned that I have more questions than answers and I'm still in the undecided camp but I know that one day, I'll come off the fence.
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Post by bormes on Mar 16, 2013 20:42:43 GMT -1
Well said Gil. Many, many people like you but without the balls to say what they feel Yes you are RIGHT, the SNP and their people in power should come out and tell the truth, the only thing I can say is, the media and all the so called impartial BBC etc., news outlets are in no doubt FOR the union staying as it is. That means we have an unfair disadvantage and an uphill struggle, try to read between the lines and ask yourself for example about Eire, why will no one discuss Eire, BECAUSE they ALL know EIRE was RIGHT, and if they ADMIT that then they have NO RIGHT to stop us going back to running our OWN COUNTRY. We are not children being told what to do by mum and dad ( England) we are a different people, particularly nowadays when you go to most of the English major cities you can be forgiven on a sunny day for thinking you are in Calcutta, Mombassa, Lahore, Sierra Leone, Jamaica etc., well I was never asked to live in a country like that and as far as Imam concerned this Multi cultural crap FORCED on us by bliar is a crock of shit that will cause all sorts of trouble already and worse soon.
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Post by notanimby on Mar 16, 2013 20:48:24 GMT -1
If the SNP Government were brave and bold enough to clearly lay out the pros as well as cons of Indy, then I am convinced they would have my vote. I would for just once in my lifetime have a government or political party to come clean and tell us the whole truth. If for saying sake, Wee Eck was to tell us, 'look folks it's not going to be all sweetness and light, some things will change that you never thought possible....' If one politician had the guts to put all the facts up front - then I am sure I would consider then worthy of my vote. Until such time, I'm reading, I'm asking questions and I've learned that I have more questions than answers and I'm still in the undecided camp but I know that one day, I'll come off the fence. GH You have to remember that the current Scottish Overnment can't tell you exactly about how it will be after independence. this is because there will be a general election for Scotland's new government in 2016. This government may not be an SNP one, so its the case that they'll implement their own policies on welfare, defence etc etc etc Expecting the SNP to do so at this stage isn't very realistic. Although you may want to google for another political party who will be standing in 2016, they are the Scottish Democratic Alliance, who appear o be a centre-rightish party What dou think the chances of of the unionist parties laying out exactly everything they will do if they win the 2015 uk election right now? Including everything hat will happen to Scotland if the independence referendum is a NO?
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Post by ozneil on Mar 16, 2013 21:08:35 GMT -1
Interesting.
The reason the Republic Referendum fell over here was that the Republicans didnt know or didnt tell us what they had in mind for the format of a republic . They could only say they wanted to be shot of the crown but gave no viable alternative. The general public were unwilling to buy a pig in a poke.
Mind you its different here the general attitude is "If it aint broke dont fix it". Here in theory the system cant work but in practice it works very well.
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