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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 17:42:34 GMT -1
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Post by notanimby on Aug 9, 2013 19:00:29 GMT -1
Ah the express, I read my version in the daily heil................. Wonder what possesses folk to go to the papers with pish like this, they must be really stupid and thick |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 19:30:11 GMT -1
Thick? Stupid? Manipulative more like. Fly as feck. They're entitled you know  |
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Post by bormes on Aug 9, 2013 20:08:25 GMT -1
The GREATEST threat to our Planet is OVER population and is it not strange that religions will not agree with contraception?
If all the natural resources are finite and withering away, why not cut back on having loads of children?
The kiddie fiddlers religion are particularly virulent against contraception, funny old lot them !!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 20:38:48 GMT -1
Contraception's been free of charge in this country since the 70s. If it's a person's true belief that they can breed huge families, well, that's fine. But quit expecting everyone else to keep your offspring while you contribute fuck all to the pot. It's BEYOND time we limited benefits to the first two children. Working people live in the real world while being practically blackmailed into keeping the children of those who know fine well they're better off claiming benefit than getting a fecking job. It's the kids I feel sorriest for. Born into the dependency culture.  |
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Post by bormes on Aug 9, 2013 22:43:36 GMT -1
Well said my friend.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 21:34:51 GMT -1
If face to face with Mr David Stewart I'd ask him this:
1) Who feeds you and your kids?
2) Who pays for the house you live in?
3) Who pays your council tax, your leccy, your gas, your everyday upkeep?
4) Who pays for the healthcare and schooling of your kids and the ante natal care of the sad baby-making machine that's your wife?
CLUE. It's not the anonymous 'state'. Its every single working person who does a day's work and loses a quarter of their earnings to pay for you.
And yet he has the sheer fucking gall to DEMAND better living conditions.
Say again, it's beyond time we limited benefits to the first two children.
These fly bstrds play on our emotions.
I'm not having it. Are you?
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Post by ozneil on Aug 10, 2013 21:59:00 GMT -1
well said!!!
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Post by notanimby on Aug 11, 2013 7:01:14 GMT -1
If face to face with Mr David Stewart I'd ask him this: 1) Who feeds you and your kids? 2) Who pays for the house you live in? 3) Who pays your council tax, your leccy, your gas, your everyday upkeep? 4) Who pays for the healthcare and schooling of your kids and the ante natal care of the sad baby-making machine that's your wife? CLUE. It's not the anonymous 'state'. Its every single working person who does a day's work and loses a quarter of their earnings to pay for you. And yet he has the sheer fucking gall to DEMAND better living conditions. Say again, it's beyond time we limited benefits to the first two children. These fly bstrds play on our emotions. I'm not having it. Are you? Unfortunately when it comes to benefits - having to learn to cut yer cloth............is not one of the benefits Unfortunately again, the tories work at attacking benefits, is not motivated by altruism, better quality spending, more bangs for yer buck, targetting the deserving etc etc - they just want the whole thing done away for the political ideology factor. Personally I dont really care how much someone gets, as long as they realise they have to contribute back the way too. I would pay more benefits to folk who put something back in, for example Carers: If experienced carers work mentoring young folk who are caring for parents or family members, supporting them etc - then they should get a bung for doing so Unemployed folk: If they do voluntary work, more education, community work then they get an extra bung too Disabled folk: As above, most disabled folk I know, especially ones who weren't born that way but ended up that way due to illness or accident, would love to contribute back - they just need to know that they wont be penalised for it financially We all know there aren't enough jobs to go round, so why penalise unemployed folk for doing voluntary work, attending education classes etc as happens just now The only folk who should be penalised are those that cant get off their arse and do anything whatsoever An ex-army medic of my aquaintance, suffers from mental health issues - manic depression is one and its the most extreme of swings When he's in the positive swing, him and his wife help run a model yacht/boat club in Greenock, he advises folk on whats what, especially amongst ex-military types and contributes to the management of his multi-storey flat (its one set aside for OAPs and ill folks) Now they spend most of their time battling the likes of Atos and trying to manage with the benefit tax They have a 2 bedroom coonsil flat, the second bedroom is used by wife when he's going through a bad patch - most of the flats in their block are 2 bedroom - so most of the tenants are in the same boat A reduction in housing benefit of @£14/17 but the rent difference between a 2 bed and a 1 bed is only £7 Both these folks have a lot to contribute to the community and do so, but they get no support back the way - just penalised instead of being rewarded |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 16:43:02 GMT -1
Unfortunately when it comes to benefits - having to learn to cut yer cloth............is not one of the benefits Unfortunately again, the tories work at attacking benefits, is not motivated by altruism, better quality spending, more bangs for yer buck, targetting the deserving etc etc - they just want the whole thing done away for the political ideology factor. Personally I dont really care how much someone gets, as long as they realise they have to contribute back the way too. I would pay more benefits to folk who put something back in, for example Carers: If experienced carers work mentoring young folk who are caring for parents or family members, supporting them etc - then they should get a bung for doing so Unemployed folk: If they do voluntary work, more education, community work then they get an extra bung too Disabled folk: As above, most disabled folk I know, especially ones who weren't born that way but ended up that way due to illness or accident, would love to contribute back - they just need to know that they wont be penalised for it financially We all know there aren't enough jobs to go round, so why penalise unemployed folk for doing voluntary work, attending education classes etc as happens just now The only folk who should be penalised are those that cant get off their arse and do anything whatsoever
An ex-army medic of my aquaintance, suffers from mental health issues - manic depression is one and its the most extreme of swings When he's in the positive swing, him and his wife help run a model yacht/boat club in Greenock, he advises folk on whats what, especially amongst ex-military types and contributes to the management of his multi-storey flat (its one set aside for OAPs and ill folks) Now they spend most of their time battling the likes of Atos and trying to manage with the benefit tax They have a 2 bedroom coonsil flat, the second bedroom is used by wife when he's going through a bad patch - most of the flats in their block are 2 bedroom - so most of the tenants are in the same boat A reduction in housing benefit of @£14/17 but the rent difference between a 2 bed and a 1 bed is only £7 Both these folks have a lot to contribute to the community and do so, but they get no support back the way - just penalised instead of being rewarded Agree with everything you say, Nota. I'm completely against the bedroom tax too, where there are disabled people involved or elderly people for whom a move from their 'family' home would be cruel, not to mention traumatising. And of course the major problem that very few social homes are one bedroomed so there's precious few places to move TO in any case. The only folk who should be penalised are those that cant get off their arse and do anything whatsoever
but to that I'd add those who breed for a living, popping out child after child as a way of dodging work--- as they know they'll be much better off living on benefits. If limited to the first two children, I suspect we'd see far fewer large families... It's absurd that working people limit their families to however many they can afford to support while shelling out for others to live off the state And yes I DO care that many can claim as much as £26000 a year (the average wage) which equates to an income of £34000 pre-tax. I bet a whole bunch of folk on average income wonder why they bother, as they're left with LESS than those on benefits.. Something needs done to re-establish FAIRNESS. |
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Post by bormes on Aug 11, 2013 19:08:57 GMT -1
Well said Rolo.
Also agree with a lot nota said about who should get help, good ideas there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 17:07:08 GMT -1
Yeah, some great ideas of Nota's. Very constructive and fair. Unfortunately the people who should be politicians aren't..... and we all know why THAT is..  |
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Post by andylin on Sept 14, 2013 1:27:02 GMT -1
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Post by bormes on Nov 9, 2013 11:26:24 GMT -1
Scotland would I think be a fairer country if running her own affairs as she should.
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