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Post by notanimby on Dec 23, 2013 21:24:36 GMT -1
cant say much more than i agree with you. The sooner your government grows a spine the better but perhaps its too late. Isnt that what UKIP party is all about No UKIP are a bunch of ignoramuses who spout shite without actuall Avignon thought it through. Apparently according to them, you can cure homosexuality by indulging in PT, they also seem to think that the disabled should be done away with.
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Post by notanimby on Dec 23, 2013 21:25:42 GMT -1
This is the tail wagging the Dog again, I know many, many Muslims and for years and years now Muslim restaurants, Currie shops for take away have sold alcohol since they were first given a license. No one objected then a well known Glasgow off license made millions over the years selling this booze to Glaswegians and he and his brother came to become senior politicians in Glasgow. This is a minority at the moment of fuckwit pricks stirring things up for THEIR agenda. Exactly.
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Post by ozneil on Dec 23, 2013 21:26:01 GMT -1
Fundamentalists and extremists, we should round them up in a field and bomb the bastards... Oops was that a little too strong? Sorry, but it gets on my wick that we've to appease and think of 'their' feelings, but bugger us, we have to put on with it. I am with you bormes - let's reclaim what is ours! Aye, but we have to decide what is "ours" though, that is the hard bit. Should we kick out all the Christian basturts tae, efter all the are just interlopers too, send them back tae ra Middle East as well, they kin go and wander the deserts wae the other two abrahamic religionistas, UK is secular, people should conform with the accepted norm for the country if they cant should go somewhere that bettersuits them . What they do behind closed doors is their business
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Post by notanimby on Dec 23, 2013 22:03:19 GMT -1
Aye, but we have to decide what is "ours" though, that is the hard bit. Should we kick out all the Christian basturts tae, efter all the are just interlopers too, send them back tae ra Middle East as well, they kin go and wander the deserts wae the other two abrahamic religionistas, UK is secular, people should conform with the accepted norm for the country if they cant should go somewhere that bettersuits them . What they do behind closed doors is their business Legally it isn't secular, it may be in practice in certain areas of public life though. Whilst the head of state is also the head of the established church in engerlandshire, there are unelected church of engerlandshire bishops sitting in the House of Lords. Even in Scotland there are unelected religious celebrants sitting on local council education committees, like RC priests and ministers, deciding policy without having been elected. To be actually a secular country, there would have to be a complete separation of church and state, that isnae gonnae happen anytime soon. That side of things is all wrapped up in the constitution we don't have, like secularity, a written constitution won't be happening anytime soon in the UK
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Post by ozneil on Dec 23, 2013 23:10:26 GMT -1
we are secular though we do have religious schools, more varieties than Heinz. They must conform to the Schools curriculum as spelled out by State & Federal governments as well as their own particular fetish.
The school education committees can decide important things like uniforms and what the canteen can sell. They also lobby the government for their special needs, generally ignored.
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Post by notanimby on Dec 24, 2013 10:02:07 GMT -1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 20:53:59 GMT -1
Well seeing it's the women around here that do all the Christmas prep and dinnae have time to keep up with the Daily Fail this close to the Festive.... Nah, joking apart, this M&S thing's a bit daft, isn't it. You know, if folks find it objectionable to work on a checkout where we Infidels want to buy booze or even pork (hell mend us!!) then they shouldn't object to keeping their job while being moved to non-customer service roles. I mean, how far do you take this? Not handling Sherry Trifles (eeek, oh no!) brandy butter, whiskey truffles??? Anything made with pork gelatin? Christ, there'd be SOME queue at the checkout... I meanwhile have a personal objection to salt and sugar so I'd not be able to work on M&S checkouts either Have to agree with Nota, yet again though. We have our very own religious nutjobs who'd ALSO like the power to dictate how we live our lives. So, when in a greenhouse and all that... M&S sales are at an all time low this year. They started their sale on Dec 23rd, their income's that bad. It doesn't surprise me that this PR campaign's kicked off at this particular time. Think about it!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 21:06:51 GMT -1
cant say much more than i agree with you. The sooner your government grows a spine the better but perhaps its too late. Isnt that what UKIP party is all about No UKIP are a bunch of ignoramuses who spout shite without actuall Avignon thought it through. Apparently according to them, you can cure homosexuality by indulging in PT, they also seem to think that the disabled should be done away with. UKIP couldn't even BEGIN to form a government, Oz. They may be in line for a few thousand votes from knuckledraggers south of the border but as Nota *nearly* says, they're pigshit ignorant, laughably so. And they're clearly not from the spellchecking error that's Avignon......they're foreign Johnnies over there in France, don't you know. And stinking of garlic, likely, the dirty, filthy bstrds. UKIP are only a degree or two further right than the current UK government at Westmonster and scaring the life out of David Cameron. Meanwhile we're laughing out loud up here at the sight of it. Needless to say UKIP don't have a single MP or MSP in Scotland and nor do they have a hope of ever having.
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Post by ozneil on Dec 24, 2013 21:37:34 GMT -1
The One Nation Party here scared the hell out of the 3 major parties to such an extent that they adopted , to a degree, One Nations Immigration Policy and one or two others to bring back the voters.
I wondered if your main parties would do the same with some UKIP policies to bring back voters
PS Thats the beauty of the preferential voting system. It forces the major parties to listen to the people if they want elected.
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Post by bormes on Dec 24, 2013 21:50:49 GMT -1
Both Tory and labour have moved a wee bit already because of u kip, particularly the Tories whom I suspect would lose more voters. As I said before there are actually many DECENT people not knuckled rangers in England who are very worried about immigration and it is NOT European immigration it is the Asian invasion and if you spoke to some of these people who live amongst them you would not sneer so much at them. Please believe me I have good friends down South some quite well of others just ordinary working people ex forces whom I still keep in touch with and they are not knuckledraggers and some of them will use their vote as a protest, they do not think u kip are right in everything but they reckon they have good points about the EU ripping us off and UNELECTED officials being able to have laws passed on us all. That particular one I detest too although even if I lived there I would not give them my vote.
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Post by ozneil on Dec 24, 2013 22:14:23 GMT -1
I think the UK, and I dont mean just England, has much cause to be concerned with your immigration policies. They need overhauled and for you to decide what of sort of country you want to live in.
I hate to be a pessimist but have you a Plan B should your Independence vote fail? Blind Freddy can see that all sorts of goodies will be offered to ensure the "Yes" vote fails so it may be wise for you to consider which of them them is acceptable as Plan B.
Before the castigations start I still know FA about it am just thinking! I was in and out of UK several times since common sense returned and did notice a marked change in London on the racial mix from '68 up till the '90s
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Post by bormes on Dec 24, 2013 22:30:25 GMT -1
Good point OZ well the UK Gov. Have been promising better things along with some threats and the last time there was a vote we were promised loads and we got NOTHING. I doubt we can have a plan B other than to keep trying to support our stance and I think when the YUK mob get power IF a no vote won we in Scotland WILL suffer of that I have NO DOUBT? Have a good new year.
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Post by ozneil on Dec 24, 2013 22:39:25 GMT -1
Yeah, We got a surge in Scots after the last time. A lot of disillusioned people
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 23:53:54 GMT -1
I think the UK, and I dont mean just England, has much cause to be concerned with your immigration policies. They need overhauled and for you to decide what of sort of country you want to live in. I hate to be a pessimist but have you a Plan B should your Independence vote fail? Blind Freddy can see that all sorts of goodies will be offered to ensure the "Yes" vote fails so it may be wise for you to consider which of them them is acceptable as Plan B. Before the castigations start I still know FA about it am just thinking! I was in and out of UK several times since common sense returned and did notice a marked change in London on the racial mix from '68 up till the '90s Scotland is not England, Oz. We don't have any serious issues with immigrant workers here. Their skills are generally welcomed. Please don't make the mistake of thinking that the Scots are in any way concerned or worried, because we're not. Re what kind of country we want to live in? For me, it's a country where everyone who wants to work and contribute is encouraged and enabled to do so. While we have robust social policies to take care of those who're genuinely unable to. Re Plan B. If you've been taking ANY NOTICE whatsoever of the NO Campaign you'll see that there's precisely nothing concrete on offer. They're not even SMART enough to bribe us and they're increasingly complacent. Plan B, in the increasingly unlikely event of a NO Vote? I'd imagine the Scottish Government will continue to do, as they have done this past 5 years, to champion the best interests of the Scottish people while using the fact that upwards of 40% of people do not want to be ruled by Westmonster. I'm voting YES for positive reasons. But we all know that, in the unlikely event of a NO vote, we would be hammered to FUCK (nay PUNISHED for our sheer gall in demanding an Indy vote) by the Tories, the LibDems and the Labour Party. And just for the record, Oz. How many, percentage-wise, of the Australian population are immigrants?Feel free to take your time on that one. ;D
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Post by ozneil on Dec 25, 2013 3:05:23 GMT -1
So what does other 60% want?
Easy answer Rolo 100%
First lot from SE Asia about 40,000 years ago then various migrations in waves dependent on climate, all hunter gatherers. Then first Europeans in 1628, the Dutch but they left asap. In all when Philips arrived in 1786 it was estimated about 250,000 Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders in roughly 3,000 clans. In NSW alone there were 300 different languages. They now number about 517,000. Mostly assimilated but some in settlements throughout the country.
In 1786 the Brits started a penal Colony but by early 1800s it had become a desirable place to live , according to Begge report felons in UK were committing crimes so they would be sent to NSW. Steady trickle of migrants till 1850s when large gold fields were discovered then it took off. By turn on century about 3-5 mill mostly from UK & Ireland but fair number from America, Europe & China. Forget the "White Australia Policy" it was brought in in1910 by the Labour Government to protect union labour and was repealed in 1958. Since end of WW2 Immigration has really taken off now 23 Mill. To stabilish the intake the Government has introduced a test for would-be migrants in addition to UN sponsored refugees. Race. colour or creed is no barrier. My own staff at one stage had 6 different nationalities including the mandatory token Pom.
The earlier inhabitants were not driven out by early settlers but assimialted pretty fast. Realised our way of life was better than theirs. The aborigines were treated under same laws as anyone else since 1786. Forget the left wing & greenies exaggerated claims most have or want to be assimilated into general society. They much prefer nicking down to the Chinese Take-away than going out hunting for a goanna for tea. The lies broadcast are easily disproved just look at Place names. Still bear aboriginal names such as Barrenjoey, Woolloomooloo. Paramatta, Narabeen, Collaroy and Bondi in Sydney alone. These names were not chosen by Europeans but by the local population.
In UK your migration started about 15,000 years ago and came from all over . My own mob arrived in 14th or 15th century from Scandinavia and started trickling out here in 1800s
That answer your Question Rolo?
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