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Post by ozneil on Dec 27, 2013 20:17:40 GMT -1
hows about EU & NATO they said anything? Is membership guaranteed? I read somewhere that Spain may veto entHory to EU. (Prob in retaliation for the sinking of the Tobermory galleon)
Rolo answered before I posted ESP is a fact
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Post by ozneil on Dec 27, 2013 20:22:13 GMT -1
Rolo Rote
Thank you but no . I have given up heavy reading, had enough of it in last 40+ years to last rest of my life.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 20:41:21 GMT -1
Well, I sent you it anyway Should insomnia strike on those balmy nights over by, feel free to dip in and comment! Tis all about the debate and yeah, it goes beyond our borders, rightly so.
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Post by ozneil on Dec 27, 2013 21:08:20 GMT -1
Damn! You realise I will have to read it! Curiosity will get better of me. Then I will have to see what is not written. I was trying to give this up so I have hidden it away in a corner of the puter but I know in a day or so or longer I will dig it out and start
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Post by notanimby on Dec 27, 2013 22:28:18 GMT -1
Damn! You realise I will have to read it! Curiosity will get better of me. Then I will have to see what is not written. I was trying to give this up so I have hidden it away in a corner of the puter but I know in a day or so or longer I will dig it out and start Read the executive summary first, then look at the section with the @500 questions and answers, then dip into the rest
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Post by bormes on Dec 28, 2013 9:43:24 GMT -1
I decided to read a wee bit of the u kip propaganda and actually there are quite a number of questions about Europe that OUR current and past Governments could and should have been asking. There are some ridiculous edicts coming from there and by UNELECTED Eurocrats. We are also paying fortunes for not a goofy return. I think we need to question our Government about the EU. That information would not have come out about the gravy train if it was not for U kip I suspect?
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Post by ozneil on Dec 28, 2013 19:44:00 GMT -1
Had a quick look Thats the "YES" side wheres the "NO" side. In a referendum it is usual for both sides to be given Why isnt there an Index makes life hard for lazy readers or is there one hidden away first Question What happens to UK pensioners overseas,particularly the ones born in Scotland? PS Thank you very much Mr Salmond but I dont want to be a Scot perfectly content being an Australian all beit with a Scottish mother
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Post by notanimby on Dec 28, 2013 19:59:41 GMT -1
Had a quick look Thats the "YES" side wheres the "NO" side. In a referendum it is usual for both sides to be given Why isnt there an Index makes life hard for lazy readers or is there one hidden away first Question What happens to UK pensioners overseas,particularly the ones born in Scotland? PS Thank you very much Mr Salmond but I dont want to be a Scot perfectly content being an Australian all beit with a Scottish mother Despite being asked numerous times, the "NO" side seem not to be able to put a positive side to staying in the UK The UK govt have been issuing papers at approx one a month, each time they are shot down in flames as having more holes than Swiss cheese
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Post by ozneil on Dec 29, 2013 6:46:41 GMT -1
Pity without a balanced argument I cant come to any opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 18:03:12 GMT -1
Pity without a balanced argument I cant come to any opinion. The NO campaign, led by former Labour Chancellor Alastair Darling, don't feel any need to counter the YES campaign's proposals with concrete policy of their own--so far..Oz. So at the moment we just have to look at what YES propose in terms of the society we'd like to live in and the values that society want to live by. I'm voting YES for positive reasons. But that said, it's on the assumption that under the NO campaign things would remain the exact same.....or as some would say, get a helluva lot worse via Westmonster deciding to punish us wayward Scots for voting for the SNP in a landslide and therefore the right to a referendum
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 18:09:47 GMT -1
Had a quick look Thats the "YES" side wheres the "NO" side. In a referendum it is usual for both sides to be given Why isnt there an Index makes life hard for lazy readers or is there one hidden away first Question What happens to UK pensioners overseas,particularly the ones born in Scotland? PS Thank you very much Mr Salmond but I dont want to be a Scot perfectly content being an Australian all beit with a Scottish mother "The State Pension The general principle of this Scottish Government, in planning for pensions in an independent Scotland, is to keep the best of the current State Pensions system, while making improvements where it is sensible to do so. On independence, our approach means: ■■ current pensioners will receive their pensions as now, on time and in full. Accrued rights will be honoured and protected " 'Current pensioners" who've paid in to the state system but are now living abroad receive their full pension. No idea why anyone would think this principle would change?
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Post by ozneil on Dec 29, 2013 18:48:54 GMT -1
Rolo Rote Thats great coz for yonks UK pensioners here have been bleating they do not get full indexed UK pension (My own opinion is why the hell should they but thats another argument) I have read more but without knowledge of Scottish conditions I cant comment. I read about banks and get no satisfactory answers just what I think is polly waffle eg The Clysesdale Bank is owned by the National Australia Bank but will have to read it in greater detail. Manufacturing looks more like wishful thinking than anything else but once again without the "NO" side and no first hand knowledge I just dont know one way or the other. With no index its extremely hard to pick out individual items. I wonder if this is deliberate? I just dont trust Politicians & their spin doctors
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 20:10:42 GMT -1
I'd imagine you could find any topic you want if you look on pages i-vii, where policies are grouped into logical sections.
Re not trusting politicians and their spin doctors, I think the vast majority of the world might agree. HOWEVER, something different's been happening in Scotland this past 5 years.
We've seen a landslide endorsement at the polls of our current government. Taking the referendum aside for a moment, our govt has very high ratings indeed re delivering the policies upon which they were voted in. Alex Salmond is recognised as probably the best politician on the UK scene and has a great deal of public support here; because he stands up for the best interests of the Scottish people.
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Post by ozneil on Dec 29, 2013 23:06:09 GMT -1
The more I look at it the more I think "Boy have I got a deal for you, buy now and I will throw in Tasmania free of charge"
As I say that's my impression but I dont know enough to form a valid opinion so really my opinion isnt worth the bytes it uses.
To me it just sounds too good to be true. I distrust ALL pollies
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Post by notanimby on Dec 29, 2013 23:13:17 GMT -1
The more I look at it the more I think "Boy have I got a deal for you, buy now and I will throw in Tasmania free of charge" As I say that's my impression but I dont know enough to form a valid opinion so really my opinion isnt worth the bytes it uses. To me it just sounds too good to be true. I distrust ALL pollies What bits are you finding a bit "unrealistic"? Another way of looking at it - when Australia went for its independence, were there naysayers then? If so, what would you have said to them? Or what about this, out of all the countries who are now independent of the UK, how come none of them are wanting back into the fold?
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