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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 19:30:30 GMT -1
Just a wee postscript on the difference in licensing laws between UKE and US: A young friend of ours was recently suspended from his job. C's a steward who's had several promotions in the two years he's been working for British Airways and (I think) has the potential to become purser, at least, in future years. Smart young boy whose aim was originally to become a pilot but sadly his B in Physics fell one grade too short for pilot training. Anyways, what happened? Well, he was considered good enough to go on long haul on entering BA, which is rare. In the closing months of last year, he was on a trip to the US. The crew were on 24 hour layover in a 5 star hotel. Our friend was 'reported' as having taken alcohol in said hotel. He was 20 and three-quarters at the time (although looks younger). C, at his BA disciplinary hearing, didn't deny he'd had a drink or two. He didn't reveal the drinks had been bought in the hotel bar by the captain of his flight. He was utterly distraught when suspended. I advised him to appeal (it was his first misdemeanour and I thought he had grounds to). So he did-- and last month was reinstated, as the suspension was deemed uber-harsh. Yes, he knows he did wrong to accept a drink when he knew the licensing rules in the US. However C committed no real crime: nobody was harmed. Fortunately, he's now been routed onto African and Australasian flights. In fact I think he's in SYD as I type, Oz! It just seems to me that too often we no longer sort the wheat from the chaff and a sense of perspective's been lost when it comes to CRIME
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Post by ozneil on Feb 4, 2014 19:43:28 GMT -1
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Post by bormes on Feb 4, 2014 19:57:06 GMT -1
Common sense is missing so often.
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Post by ozneil on Feb 4, 2014 20:08:03 GMT -1
In Queensland the legal age was 21 until the cops charged a 20 year old Viet vet. The magistrate went ballistic. Not only did he dismiss the charge he gave the Cops & the DPP hell saying he should never have been charged and that if this man was old enough to fight for his country he was old enough to drink.
The law was changed to 18 very shortly thereafter
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Post by ozneil on Feb 4, 2014 20:15:30 GMT -1
Rolo rote
Well I hope he brought a sweater its a typical Scottish summer day here today cold and rainy. But never mind the drinking age is 18
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Post by bormes on Feb 4, 2014 20:18:08 GMT -1
So much common sense in OZ, pity about that big yellow thing in the sky that is hot, it would be perfect with our weather!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 20:58:54 GMT -1
In Queensland the legal age was 21 until the cops charged a 20 year old Viet vet. The magistrate went ballistic. Not only did he dismiss the charge he gave the Cops & the DPP hell saying he should never have been charged and that if this man was old enough to fight for his country he was old enough to drink. The law was changed to 18 very shortly thereafter Sounds eminently sensible to me, Oz. Hereabouts you have the right to be blown to bits while serving in the forces at 16 but legally can't buy a beer or two till you're 18. MENTAL. I guess we here are all big and ugly enough to know that too much of a good thing can drive some people into being confrontational and aggressive, while others just mellow right out. I believe there's a genetic thing going on there. I think we all get to know our own limits, purely through trial and error. That's how I found out, in my early 20s, that I should never drink whisky, it brings out the worst in me. So I don't. I also found out pretty early doors that 'everyday' drugs don't suit me at all. Other personality types have no such issues. I'd qualify that by saying diamorphine when I was giving birth to Ms R was UTTERLY WONDERFUL, so much so I practically begged for another dose( which was refused, needless to say). That in itself was a big feckoff warning to steer clear of heroin derivatives. We need to be frank with our kids, shirley? There's NO POINT WHATSOEVER in being all uppity and punitive with them. I personally think that attitude drives them to the so-called 'forbidden fruit'. What you reckon?
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Post by bormes on Feb 4, 2014 22:45:53 GMT -1
17 to be blown to bits!! Agree with most of your post and particularly not being too punitive with them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 0:47:08 GMT -1
Not in my name, buddy, not in my name.
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Post by ozneil on Feb 5, 2014 1:03:25 GMT -1
Got drunk & stupid twice in life. Once as a teenager woke up in morning half in half out front door with a rug thrown over me. I was wakened by a lady's shoe being applied foreceably and repeatedly to ribs. Through my comatose state heard a Scottish voice encouraging me to get up and telling me if I could be a young man at night I could be a young man in the morning. This punctuated with not so gentle applications of shoe to ribs. Work that day was hell & I swore never ever again!!!!! Second time was on leaving office in Glasgow. I liked the people and I liked the work it was a bit sad leaving knowing I would not be back other than for a visit. Had worked with them for 5 years Great people Was in 3 in 1 in Woodside? Road. Remember being told by an old guy (pensioner I reckon in a cloth cap) I was doing the right thing going to OZ. Either he was pissed or I had developed a weegie accent!!! Any way he got a few drinks out of our mob The other times I have been tempted I was never in completely secure surrounding and decided it better to keep my wits about me!! Got to be a habit latterly. Though came close the day I retired.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 1:26:19 GMT -1
Ah and thereby lies the fine art...of having a few, while keeping your wits about you. 3 in One became Uisque Beatha in the 80s and is now Dram. I shushpect the cloth-capped bloke's still around, mooching drinks from the unwary.. There's one in every pub in Scotland, you know.
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Post by ozneil on Feb 5, 2014 7:37:53 GMT -1
Yeah and knowing what you can say & what you cant say... particularly at trade dos. and trying to loosen Target's/opposition's tongue and get info.
Looking as though you are relaxed and really enjoying yourself
Do you have Claytons there? (the drink you have when you arent having a drink) It with Soda and ice looks like scotch but is non alcoholic Handy to drink at these dos (If I ever have another I'll boak!!!)
Gees I hated them, Trade dos that is, another thing I dont miss!!! That and business lunches trying to impress and get work.
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