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Post by notanimby on Apr 9, 2014 6:11:15 GMT -1
Yes folks, from the author of
Devolution will kill nationalism stone dead and Scotland doesn't have its own culture comes..........................drum roll.............
"The loudest cheers for the break-up of Britain would be from our adversaries and from our enemies. For the second military power in the West to shatter this year would be cataclysmic in geopolitical terms.......... "I want all those in the world who understand that the break-up of the United Kingdom would have cataclysmic geo-strategic effects, breaking up the solidarity of the West at this particular time, to say that," he said."
"Lard" Robertson speaks out yet again and makes a complete tit of himself once again too
Can't wait for Lard Foulkes and Stalin's Grannie to enter the debate now too - it will be hilarious
LIEBOOR's "dad's army" big hitters are in serious need of mental health intervention
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Post by bormes on Apr 9, 2014 7:27:28 GMT -1
You are right nota, I listened to that balloon and kept remembering Dunblane in which he and his Tory rat Forsyth got together to help cover up Dunblane.
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Post by celyn on Apr 10, 2014 17:40:45 GMT -1
Cataclysm!
Forces of Darkness!
DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!
BIG SCARY MONSTERS WILL HIDE UNDER THE BED!!!!!!!!!! OR MIBBE BEHIND THE DOOR!!!
Oh Mammydaddy gonnae no let them dae this in case I lose my job!
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Post by celyn on Apr 10, 2014 17:44:47 GMT -1
Isn't it nice to be so important all of a sudden? Some days Scotland is just too small, a terrible subsidy junkie, too poor, and too incompetent to survive like other countries do, and now we are suddenly the only bulwark of civilisation and apple pie and stuff, and all that stands between the peace-loving types like the UK and USA (HUH!) and them evil foreign demons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 19:16:37 GMT -1
Desperate, isn't it? According to the Lord George Robertson, we are now the gatekeepers of Western Civilisation. Vote NO and we're all to hell in a handcart. Apparently. EXCEPT; Former Defence Minister and now 'LORD' George Robertson might just have self-seeking interests at heart. (EH? I hear you cry, what can you possibly mean?) Well, two things: Thing One Robertson, Lord G, gets £300 per day for every day he 'signs in' at Westminster, whether he attends the debates or not. Plus a whole load of other financial 'benefits'... Thing Two George is a member of the Cohen Foundation. This is an alliance (unholy some might say) of defence contractors in the US and UKE and therefore DEFENDS the vast money making machine that is armaments. Pee ess: the Nato alliance has multiple members, ALL of whom on mainland Europe are INDEPENDENT countries within a currency union. One more won't make ONE JOT of a difference. But it's been stated that The Forces of Darkness will enter via Scotland's independent borders post YES. When pressed on who the FOD might be, Lord G says, oh, you know, errrrrrr. AlQuaeda. If his intervention wasn't so tragic it'd be hilarious. Oh, wait........
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Post by celyn on Apr 10, 2014 21:42:42 GMT -1
Happy happy! Anyway,if you are still a bit undecided, there's plenty of time to read up on stuff. One of the sites I like is wingsoverscotland.com/ for its terrier-like determination to keep track of the various versions of Project Fear and the media's treatment of them and simply because it's often quite amusing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 21:43:46 GMT -1
I suspect you're very far from alone in that, Gilly. Speaking personally, I'm not big on phone canvassing myself. I honestly find unsolicited phone calls just a wee tad intrusive no matter their provenance. It is a recognised trend though, that undecided voters tend to be more open to finding out the facts of Indy through talking to a 'real person' whether on the phone, on the net or attending the YES campaign's local meetings. Above all we need to be informed, and the mainstream UKE media is (imv) not always the best place to get unbiased interpretations
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Post by celyn on Apr 10, 2014 22:10:37 GMT -1
Yes, I'm not sure I'd like someone 'phoning me up. However, that's just me being the hermit-like grump who keeps her 'phone number ex-directory. I can see that some people would find it better to have a live human to talk to and ask questions of. Sometimes I would too, but it's a matter of luck, I suppose, if a caller happens to 'phone just when one is in a good enough mood. So telephone canvassing is not something I will volunteer to do. . Simply couldn't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 22:32:49 GMT -1
I'm with you on that, Celyn. Horses for courses an aw that. I do think though, that those who'd 'campaign' for NO are a bit on the backfoot now, almost complacent somehow. Whereas those in favour of YES tend towards the more grassroots, person to person conviction type approach. I suspect though that things are going to get pretty mental in the next six months when NO finally realise how close this vote's going to be. Do you know the thing that bothers me the most? It's the really awfully uninformed views prevalent on so many newspaper comments sites. Those that attack Alex Salmond and the SNP personally, you'll know what I mean These utterly clueless folks seem to believe the Scottish people are in thrall of one slightly mad dictator: that we're all under some kind of weird spell or something What they conveniently forget (if they even knew it in the first place) is that Scotland voted in our current government by a landslide--on the manifesto promise they'd deliver the Independence Referendum as well as other policies we APPROVE OF! So many of them froth at the mouth over the sheer cheek of Scotland debating independence while at the same time endorsing England's independence of the EU. And they're so fecking stupid they don't even GET the irony....
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Post by notanimby on Apr 11, 2014 5:43:56 GMT -1
Well I got a phone call tonight from the Yes Campaign asking for my views on an Indie Scotland and well here I was telling them 'yes in principle' and 'yes' and suddenly, I am asking myself the question; when did I turn from totally undecided to 'yes' (even if it is in principle)? Well, perhaps with those who scaremonger and there are many - I've decided that they must be really feart for some reason and that reason must be in 'my' interests and these scaremongers have never been keen on protecting my interests....Come Sept, I think I know where my vote is going.... As roly mentioned, you're far from alone in thinkin' that Seemingly another big worry for the NO mob is undecided folk ( and some NO voters too) who on referendum day are expected to walk into polling booth, look at ballot paper and just think Ach fuck it - and vote yes
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 19:20:50 GMT -1
Well I got a phone call tonight from the Yes Campaign asking for my views on an Indie Scotland and well here I was telling them 'yes in principle' and 'yes' and suddenly, I am asking myself the question; when did I turn from totally undecided to 'yes' (even if it is in principle)? Well, perhaps with those who scaremonger and there are many - I've decided that they must be really feart for some reason and that reason must be in 'my' interests and these scaremongers have never been keen on protecting my interests....Come Sept, I think I know where my vote is going.... As roly mentioned, you're far from alone in thinkin' that Seemingly another big worry for the NO mob is undecided folk ( and some NO voters too) who on referendum day are expected to walk into polling booth, look at ballot paper and just think Ach fuck it - and vote yes I was at a Musicians Union event in City Halls earlier. The topic being Scotland's music industry post-Yes. The sector's keen to discuss how it will affect us in practical terms; such as broadcasting, copyright and IP law, artist taxation, company startups/tax and of course, public funding of the arts. Two politicians gave a keynote address: my friend P is a Westminster MP for Perthsh.ire/musician who chairs the copyright/IP group there. The NO campaign were invited to put up a speaker in the interests of balance but clearly struggled to find a speaker and settled, somehow, on John Robertson, MP for Anniesland. Who memorably quoted Biffy Clyro as Biffy SLYRO as if to 'get down with the kids' like D Camoron pretending to like Blur or something Totally cringeworthy. Working in the creative industries, I'm well used to being amongst fellow-YES supporters. But what was really interesting about today was the anecdotal, informal chat about how so many of us are hearing family, friends, colleagues previously undecided or outright NO, starting to change their views the more they learn about Indy over dinner tables, in their workplaces, on the net. I'd hope, Nota, that those that put their X against one or the other option is well-informed and not just giving it knee-jerk. Time'll tell!
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Post by notanimby on Apr 11, 2014 19:47:22 GMT -1
As roly mentioned, you're far from alone in thinkin' that Seemingly another big worry for the NO mob is undecided folk ( and some NO voters too) who on referendum day are expected to walk into polling booth, look at ballot paper and just think Ach fuck it - and vote yes I was at a Musicians Union event in City Halls earlier. The topic being Scotland's music industry post-Yes. The sector's keen to discuss how it will affect us in practical terms; such as broadcasting, copyright and IP law, artist taxation, company startups/tax and of course, public funding of the arts. Two politicians gave a keynote address: my friend P is a Westminster MP for Perthsh.ire/musician who chairs the copyright/IP group there. The NO campaign were invited to put up a speaker in the interests of balance but clearly struggled to find a speaker and settled, somehow, on John Robertson, MP for Anniesland. Who memorably quoted Biffy Clyro as Biffy SLYRO as if to 'get down with the kids' like D Camoron pretending to like Blur or something Totally cringeworthy. Working in the creative industries, I'm well used to being amongst fellow-YES supporters. But what was really interesting about today was the anecdotal, informal chat about how so many of us are hearing family, friends, colleagues previously undecided or outright NO, starting to change their views the more they learn about Indy over dinner tables, in their workplaces, on the net. I'd hope, Nota, that those that put their X against one or the other option is well-informed and not just giving it knee-jerk. Time'll tell! The NO campaign seem to be lacking in MPs/MSPs/any bugger at all, who is a passionate and charismatic public speaker, someone to stir the soul so to speak
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Post by celyn on Apr 12, 2014 1:37:06 GMT -1
They have no soles. That might be why they talk a load of old cobblers. (Yes, I have got my coat)
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Post by bormes on Apr 12, 2014 6:17:46 GMT -1
Has anyone in the Scottish Parliament considered that Cameron and his Coven might NOT agree to a split no matter what the vote is? They could come out with something like Oh, 25Percent did not vote, therefore they are NO voters!! Or even just a NO you will NOT be independent it is too dangerous to allow you to go on your own, the big bad Russians/Chineses/Whomsoever might move in!! After all Warminster has already suggested "Annexing" Faslane so it might not be so daft to wonder about that?
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Post by notanimby on Apr 12, 2014 6:56:37 GMT -1
Has anyone in the Scottish Parliament considered that Cameron and his Coven might NOT agree to a split no matter what the vote is? They could come out with something like Oh, 25Percent did not vote, therefore they are NO voters!! Or even just a NO you will NOT be independent it is too dangerous to allow you to go on your own, the big bad Russians/Chineses/Whomsoever might move in!! After all Warminster has already suggested "Annexing" Faslane so it might not be so daft to wonder about that? Personally I wouldn't put it passed them ( especially if they keep pandering to the loony wing of the tories and UKIP) BUT it is a very dangerous road to go down. In the eyes of the world they'll become bigger pariahs than they are just now, for some that would signal that the only way they can achieve independence is insurrection and suddenly it becomes even more dangerous As for annexing Faslane & Coulport -good luck with that plan ( whoever came up with that idea needs their head examined) you couldnt really find much easier places to blockade if one wished -the entrance near Rhu isnt exactly wide and road access.............
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