Tax avoiders/evasers

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Amazon.

Starbucks.

Caffe Nero.


Helicoptering in, investing trillions in prime UK positions, putting local businesses out of err. business.
Then using registered companies outwith UK to evade tax while making millions, if not billions.

And all the while employing people on minimum wage and zero-hours contracts. Meaning that working people on such low wages are topped up by benefits such as housing and income support that we all pay for. Effectively everyone who actually pays tax is SUBSIDISING huge global companies.

It's so bloody ridiculous you couldn't make it up!

The scaremongering uber-capitalists (i.e UKE government) will tell you if we insist on these big concerns paying their due taxes they'll eff off.

Aye, well, eff off then...and good bloody riddance

[notanimby]

May 11, 2014 22:13:40 GMT -1 @rolo said:

Amazon.

Starbucks.

Caffe Nero.


Helicoptering in, investing trillions in prime UK positions, putting local businesses out of err. business.
Then using registered companies outwith UK to evade tax while making millions, if not billions.

And all the while employing people on minimum wage and zero-hours contracts. Meaning that working people on such low wages are topped up by benefits such as housing and income support that we all pay for. Effectively everyone who actually pays tax is SUBSIDISING huge global companies.

It's so bloody ridiculous you couldn't make it up!

The scaremongering uber-capitalists (i.e UKE government) will tell you if we insist on these big concerns paying their due taxes they'll eff off.

Aye, well, eff off then...and good bloody riddance

.....and Gary Barlow and various other memebers of Take Twat

[bormes]

Cafe Nero are trying to open in Byres road in a place that has ALREADY been refused, we shall see how long it takes for the Mafia in George Square to find a way around their earlier refusal?

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The site that Costa went for a wee while back, Bormes?
We so don't need a Caffe Nero in the area, there's plenty choice of individually owned coffee shops who get my business.

Re Take That: David Cameron is all over the place, defending him (he's done a lot for charity!!!) while he's on record as vilifying Jimmy Carr for avoidance. The difference? Gary campaigns for the Tories.

Re TT: yeah some of them are guilty of avoidance and that's a bit depressing really. Those who buy their records and gig-tickets will be paying tax, I imagine!!!

Mr R has taken the TT shilling on a few occasions over the years and I like Gary as a songwriter; talented guy-- despite his politics. But foolish to get mixed up in the *legal* avoidance schemes. They need closed down.

[notanimby]

May 12, 2014 18:43:09 GMT -1 @rolo said:

The site that Costa went for a wee while back, Bormes?
We so don't need a Caffe Nero in the area, there's plenty choice of individually owned coffee shops who get my business.

Re Take That: David Cameron is all over the place, defending him (he's done a lot for charity!!!) while he's on record as vilifying Jimmy Carr for avoidance. The difference? Gary campaigns for the Tories.

Re TT: yeah some of them are guilty of avoidance and that's a bit depressing really. Those who buy their records and gig-tickets will be paying tax, I imagine!!!

Mr R has taken the TT shilling on a few occasions over the years and I like Gary as a songwriter; talented guy-- despite his politics. But foolish to get mixed up in the *legal* avoidance schemes. They need closed down.

I was never anything near a take twat fan, I've always seen them as over-indulged smarmy gits, over the years I've seen nothing to dispel that opinion, in fact Barlow with his ( maybe was) national treasure status and his sychofancical approach at the I almond jubilee cracked me up, I was ecstatic when he only to an obe............how I lauged........

Apparently they didn't know it was a tax dodging scheme -aye right.

Boy zone and west life were pish a well but they were never as smarmy as take twat, it was as iif they knew they were crap and just went for it, whereas take twat actuallly convinced themselves they were wonderful.

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Okey dokey, Nota

I look at it from a slightly different perspective but that's because what I do for a living.
In no way would I ever endorse tax avoidance/evasion. End of.


I believe also that musicians should be allowed to have political allegiances, just like everyone else.
That I don't personally agree with Gary's is irrelevant.

Re the Icebreaker scheme that three members plus their manager invested in: I could be completely wrong here but I think it's just *possible* that the band members- at least- weren't as sussed as they might have been. And I understand why that could've happened.

Artists are artists, NOT managers. Whole different set of skills.
I completely get why this might have happened, as a former artist manager myself. Trust me, EVERY bstrd wants to make money out of you and you place an element of trust in your managers to allow you to do what you do best.

Take That are actually dead good at what they do. Pure entertainment, great songwriting. Mr R speaks highly of them all as individuals and you get to know people pretty well when you tour/live with them.

I think this whole thing's been a warning to artists/creatives to educate themselves and ask deeper questions of their financial managers. Which is BLOODY hard to do When the World Knows Your Name

Just my tuppence worth, take it in the spirit intended.

[notanimby]

May 13, 2014 20:11:25 GMT -1 @rolo said:

Okey dokey, Nota

I look at it from a slightly different perspective but that's because what I do for a living.
In no way would I ever endorse tax avoidance/evasion. End of.


I believe also that musicians should be allowed to have political allegiances, just like everyone else.
That I don't personally agree with Gary's is irrelevant.

Re the Icebreaker scheme that three members plus their manager invested in: I could be completely wrong here but I think it's just *possible* that the band members- at least- weren't as sussed as they might have been. And I understand why that could've happened.

Artists are artists, NOT managers. Whole different set of skills.
I completely get why this might have happened, as a former artist manager myself. Trust me, EVERY bstrd wants to make money out of you and you place an element of trust in your managers to allow you to do what you do best.

Take That are actually dead good at what they do. Pure entertainment, great songwriting. Mr R speaks highly of them all as individuals and you get to know people pretty well when you tour/live with them.

I think this whole thing's been a warning to artists/creatives to educate themselves and ask deeper questions of their financial managers. Which is BLOODY hard to do When the World Knows Your Name

Just my tuppence worth, take it in the spirit intended.

I can understand that some folks may be in out f their depth with some tax law matters.

I don't believe that for a minute with these shysters, they knew fine well what they were getting into, they're now only sorry they got caught.

I'm far from being an accountant but it doesn't require having CA after yer name to see when something is to good to be true.........

As a contractor I get emails about this sort of thing constantly, at least 2/3 times a week, offering all sorts of mad schemes to minimise yer tax from EBTs, to off-shore trusts, to mad investment schemes were returns on yer investments are, on paper, never going to happen
Every single one of these schemes swears blind that they are HMRC approved/complaint - they are not and never really are.

I've known, over he years of a few contractors in my line getting involved in these schemes, every single one ha been caught and had to pay back the equivalent tax dogged pls interest - not to the amount wae these fekkers but tens of thousands of pounds.

Some schemes even offer to let you keep 90% + of your income, after tax - aye right!!!! There's no way in hell HMRC would sanction that

Much easier just to pay yer dues, one can minimise ones tax ( but still be on the side of the angels) with the help of decent coontint. No need to end up with a huge bill a few years down the line, well unless you're just a greedy fucker.

Of course musicians and ahem celebrities can have political opinions but they must be ready to accept the pelters coming their way due to said views if they stick their heid above parapet spouting forth about them.


Ken Dodd, Elster pig got and now another smarmy Tory supporting git in barlow caught fiddling tax - funny how its always the Tory supporters who think their to big to ave to pay up.
Barlow just sees himself as some sort of latter day leona Helmsley wannabee, which s fine because she got caught on the fiddle as well..........

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Ok, I'm butting out of this thread now.

I wouldn't presume to know how Gary Barlow *sees* himself in the scheme of things.

Perhaps it's been a deliberate attempt to defraud. Perhaps it wasn't.

Check out Icebreaker on the net, Nota.

[bormes]

For ordinary mortals such as ourselves on here, we try to get what we can, a car and allowances against our business and any other wee legitimate perks that we can, however there is a different league, when people with huge amounts to invest they are pulled in sometimes innocently BUT they KNOW that the agent they are talking to IS trying to avoid tax and if they had any doubt at all they could check it out, they will not, they prefer to be lied to and want to believe what they are told.
In many ways it is the Government themselves who are at fault, they make everything so complicated it could be simpler, BUT then the 1per cent would NOT like that and they keep the Government in power as they OWN the media.

[notanimby]

Saw today, the Judge's comment on the tax case with the Take Vat members

Judge Bishopp said the scheme “is, and was known and understood by all concerned to be, a tax avoidance scheme”.

[notanimby]

US surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft are said to be preparing to search the thick impenetrable forest of tax evasion schemes where Gary Barlow’s missing tax money is said to be hidden and the UK was also prepared to assist, the UK Prime Minister’s official spokesman said.

The US and UK governments could also provide unmanned drones or other on-the-ground surveillance assistance to help tax authorities locate the missing money abducted and hidden by Gary Barlow’s brutal group of militant accountants, Downing Street has confirmed.

However, a UK defence spokesman denied ground troops, including crack SAS nonsense, were preparing to attack Gary Barlow’s wallet saying substantial defences around it were too well defended for a direct raid to be successful.

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May 14, 2014 8:31:42 GMT -1 bormes said:

For ordinary mortals such as ourselves on here, we try to get what we can, a car and allowances against our business and any other wee legitimate perks that we can, however there is a different league, when people with huge amounts to invest they are pulled in sometimes innocently BUT they KNOW that the agent they are talking to IS trying to avoid tax and if they had any doubt at all they could check it out, they will not, they prefer to be lied to and want to believe what they are told.
In many ways it is the Government themselves who are at fault, they make everything so complicated it could be simpler, BUT then the 1per cent would NOT like that and they keep the Government in power as they OWN the media.

Agreed.

It's a big political no-no to raise tax on the wealthy to anything over 50%, certainly in England where the vast concentration of wealth is and where all three major political parties focus on.

And the sheer inequalities involved are part of this problem, I think.
As you say, Bormes, the uber-rich dictate media policy, a hideous situation that Tories/Lab/LibDem have caved into over the years. They are all TERRIFIED of the media now.

It's a big filthy mess and I for one can't wait for the opportunity to help rewrite the rule-book.
An indy Scotland will simply NOT ACCEPT tax avoidance or evasion. There are better ways to attract investment: by subsidising startups in the short term and deals on land/property rental etc.

And perhaps looking to nationalise certain public utilities? Who exactly owns our oil & gas/water/wind and wave power?

[ozneil]

May 14, 2014 8:31:42 GMT -1 bormes said:

For ordinary mortals such as ourselves on here, we try to get what we can, a car and allowances against our business and any other wee legitimate perks that we can, however there is a different league, when people with huge amounts to invest they are pulled in sometimes innocently BUT they KNOW that the agent they are talking to IS trying to avoid tax and if they had any doubt at all they could check it out, they will not, they prefer to be lied to and want to believe what they are told.
In many ways it is the Government themselves who are at fault, they make everything so complicated it could be simpler, BUT then the 1per cent would NOT like that and they keep the Government in power as they OWN the media.

We have a new simplified tax form

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Ain't that the truth, Oz!

And what's more if your folks work their socks off and leave their offspring a house, said offspring get to give even more to the Taxman..

And what's more, I recently got a refund for mis-sold credit card protection: a small cheque arrived in the post with a statement saying tax had been deducted at source! Laugh or cry...

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May 14, 2014 8:31:42 GMT -1 bormes said:

In many ways it is the Government themselves who are at fault, they make everything so complicated it could be simpler, BUT then the 1per cent would NOT like that and they keep the Government in power as they OWN the media.

By the way, Bormes, Alex Salmond, in FM's Question Time today, spoke about how, post YES, we will not tolerate tax avoidance.

There's a section on it in the White Paper for Independence if you have a copy. It's downloadable from the ScotGov website if you don't. Or you can watch on the Iplayer here:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27423845

Leader of the Green Party, Pat Harvie suggested a boycott of Amazon, Salmond replied he couldn't endorse that as it might affect Scottish jobs (Amazon have two mega warehouse u.nits here..).

Which is a fair point. I'm not boycotting Amazon, I've never shopped with them and don't intend to start.

pee ess: I went to Starbucks Byres today, hell mend me. I'd been intending to work in Hillhead Library for a bit of peace and quiet but Glasgow City Council's library wifi network is down....(ridiculous!).
But for the price of a cup of crap tea, I got to use not only their free wifi but also their free power supply. For hours. Small victory for the wee person