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Post by bormes on Jun 20, 2014 18:25:07 GMT -1
It has happened that GDC have handed out contracts to loads, nearly all, English companies, large companies, who opened an office in Glasgow to be able to tender for the catering, bars, etc., in fact all the support stuff.
Perhaps Rolo has info on this too?
Now these companies were in a stampede to have an "office" in Glasgow and there is a smell about who and why they were given preference over Glasgow companies?
No doubt even if they are up to their normal behaviour, nothing will happen to them!!
Talk about the Trams in Edinburgh!!!!
That is Glasgow showing us PERFECTLY, why we are "Better Together" because that way WE KEEP THE STATUS QUO"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 1:33:28 GMT -1
Yeah, fair to say I'm aware, from the live events side, that many non-Scottish companies are helicoptering in to make a quick buck, Bormes. Also aware they don't have resources 'on the ground' despite promises to the contrary to get the lucrative contracts. I'm seeing from my own wee perspective that arts and culture organisations are being expected to contribute resources 'for the love of it' (i.e. working for free for the general good) while bigger conglomerates pocket the cash. Oz mentioned the transport workers threat to strike because they too had been expected to put in extra shifts for no extra wages. He seemed to think they should be willing to do that "for the greater good"... Well, the way I see it, the vast budget for us hosting the Games should be used to pay people for going the extra mile rather than seeing it line the pockets of huge companies who are only here temporarily to rake in the cash. But hey, call me old-fashioned....  |
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Post by bormes on Jun 26, 2014 12:27:52 GMT -1
With you Roly!!
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Post by ozneil on Jun 26, 2014 20:43:17 GMT -1
Isnt that the socialist way? work for the greater good?
You are expecting independence soon.
You must impress every visitor with your efficiency and organisation. Striking and disruption will do the opposite
You cant have too many friends when you start touting for business overseas not have them remembering bad things that happened while they were there.
Your decision
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Post by bormes on Jun 27, 2014 6:30:58 GMT -1
While Rolo and I wish for a Scotland like she suggests, as I agreed with you earlier about not striking at the actual time of the Games, I do not think striking during the Games would be right.
As she says though, why should the multis make fortunes at the expense of local businesses?
Surely that is the FAULT of our council who are the ones who granted the licenses?
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Post by ozneil on Jun 27, 2014 8:54:08 GMT -1
Im not casting aspersions or trying to place blame for the reasons its just the unfortunate results that visitors and potential customers will see will see.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 17:59:25 GMT -1
Oz, you can't truly believe it's right that big conglomerates helicopter in and cream off the profits by expecting locally contracted workers to work extra long shifts for 'the love of it'? Come ON, man!!!  The transport workers' case has now been settled: they are to get extra payments for working longer shifts during unsocial hours. Had they not objected loudly, no such agreement would have been offered. It came to a stand-off and that is a TERRIBLE way to conduct employer/employee relations, I'd say... after all the transport companies will rake it in by way of extra fares on buses, trains, tube etc. I think questions will be asked after the Games re some of the procurement issues we're seeing but I very much doubt our visitors will be aware of any such concerns. And I'm not remotely concerned about any ramifications in future business/trading opportunities globally as a result. The opposite in fact!  |
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Post by notanimby on Jun 27, 2014 18:11:47 GMT -1
Oz, you can't truly believe it's right that big conglomerates helicopter in and cream off the profits by expecting locally contracted workers to work extra long shifts for 'the love of it'? Come ON, man!!! The transport workers' case has now been settled: they are to get extra payments for working longer shifts during unsocial hours. Had they not objected loudly, no such agreement would have been offered. It came to a stand-off and that is a TERRIBLE way to conduct employer/employee relations, I'd say... after all the transport companies will rake it in by way of extra fares on buses, trains, tube etc. I think questions will be asked after the Games re some of the procurement issues we're seeing but I very much doubt our visitors will be aware of any such concerns. And I'm not remotely concerned about any ramifications in future business/trading opportunities globally as a result. The opposite in fact! Is Scotland the only country in the world that has industrial disputes? Funnily enough I don't think so Why is it the case that when a dispute arises its always the fault of the workers? |
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Post by ozneil on Jun 27, 2014 21:32:46 GMT -1
In response to both Rolo and Nota.
Management often drives the workers to strike so you can get yort hair shirt off nota
UK and I assume that includes Scotland has an archaic industrial laws and relations system based on something earlier last century which lends itself to confrontation. Us and them instead of us
Why dont you initiate an Arbitration Court where disputes that cannot be settled are taken to arbitration which gives a ruling binding on both sides?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 22:03:00 GMT -1
In response to both Rolo and Nota. Management often drives the workers to strike so you can get yort hair shirt off nota UK and I assume that includes Scotland has an archaic industrial laws and relations system based on something earlier last century which lends itself to confrontation. Us and them instead of us
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Post by ozneil on Jun 27, 2014 22:06:39 GMT -1
here. Sure we have strikes but of short duration then they go to arbitration. Essential services go to arbitration and do not strike.
Mind you I havent worked on a UK project since 1990s so things may have changed
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Post by bormes on Jun 28, 2014 9:42:11 GMT -1
Sounds a good idea to me Rolo, as already arbitration is being used in insurance claims, UNFORTUNATELY, Oz with this the arbitration has so far gone 95 percent in favour to the Insurance companies.
Which means we need to set up a totally Independant arbitration system, now in Oz you are a fairly new system whereas over here the VESTED interest and "Old Money" have entrenched positions and have had the laws set up to keep the status quo so probably to change the way it is would be like Turkeys voting for Xmas.
I know of one case in particular where the Insurance company ad mitted complete liability and the person whom they had insured had caused the accident and was banned and license removed and had suspended three year sentence. Despite this when at arbitration the amount paid to the victim was the absolute minimum and it saved the courts a fortune and that Insurance company a fortune and it took three years to get to this position.
A new Scotland would have a CHANCE to be more like. Oz with LESS vested interest or at least we can see it quicker and do something about it.
If we can run ourselves it means we will have already made a huge change as ALL the UK and Media are totally against us so to beat them will be some acheivment.
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Post by ozneil on Jun 28, 2014 11:15:13 GMT -1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 19:29:28 GMT -1
Sounds a good idea to me Rolo, as already arbitration is being used in insurance claims, UNFORTUNATELY, Oz with this the arbitration has so far gone 95 percent in favour to the Insurance companies. Which means we need to set up a totally Independant arbitration system, now in Oz you are a fairly new system whereas over here the VESTED interest and "Old Money" have entrenched positions and have had the laws set up to keep the status quo so probably to change the way it is would be like Turkeys voting for Xmas. I know of one case in particular where the Insurance company ad mitted complete liability and the person whom they had insured had caused the accident and was banned and license removed and had suspended three year sentence. Despite this when at arbitration the amount paid to the victim was the absolute minimum and it saved the courts a fortune and that Insurance company a fortune and it took three years to get to this position. A new Scotland would have a CHANCE to be more like. Oz with LESS vested interest or at least we can see it quicker and do something about it. If we can run ourselves it means we will have already made a huge change as ALL the UK and Media are totally against us so to beat them will be some acheivment. I'd add to this, Bormes, that the Westmonster government are currently making huge changes to employment rights, and giving much more flexibility to employers rather than employees; viz the rise in zero hours contracts where the employee has well, no bloody rights at all! The crap Us and Them model from the distant past needs to be consigned there, IMV. It's very much about (and always has been) the hideous CLASS SYSTEM that used to exist in the UK. Smart folks now fine well that people are the single biggest resource in ANY company, large or small. Clinging on to the notion that people are to be exploited for personal/shareholder gain is SO last century. I look forward to a Scotland where these silly notions are discarded and we all work together for the benefit of us all, no matter what job you do, no matter your so-called 'station' in life. That is why the Scots are different and why we need to run our own affairs. |
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