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Post by ozneil on Oct 30, 2014 8:01:49 GMT -1
I bow to your knowledge ....you were there and Im too young
Wasnt the Darien scheme a scam set up by Patterson the B of E man?
I saw a bit of the subscription list and all sorts from Lords and Ladies to Tradesmen put in their money and borrowed money to such an extent that when it went bust Scotland was damn near bankrupt
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Post by bormes on Oct 30, 2014 14:20:54 GMT -1
Nota is absolutely accurate about the parcel o rogues!! I personally think the Trade in the EU Is a great idea, however the European Parliament is a very misleading name, it is NOT a Parliament in the way ours is, it is a group of UNELECTED CIVIL SERVANTS. The sooner THEY stop giving us laws and conditions the better. Trade is fine, LAW should be made by OUR Parliament and OUR MP's NOT unelected twunts elsewhere. I think many good things have come from the EU HOever again both France and Germany do much better out of it than we do! A wee recent example is some countries have been allowed in yet they did NOT pass the fiscal test, so which twunt took the bungs from the multi nationals so as they have more customers to sell to? Why do you think Nissan "Builds" ( assembles) in the UK. Custmers in the EU and the bigger the customer base the better for them, they do not care about us or how our laws are governed! Too much interference from unelected twunts for me!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 15:40:00 GMT -1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-29834367I add this and although it takes us off in another direction I am confused and need help. We had the Commonwealth Games - we embraced the Commonwealth nations and we were informed it would generate millions for the City and the people would have a 'lasting legacy'. Many of us believed this to be nothing more than spin and now this piece is on the BBC news site. How can this city be in such deficit on a continuous basis given all the 'events that will generate prosperity for her citizens' can someone explain this to me?
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Post by notanimby on Oct 30, 2014 17:18:12 GMT -1
I bow to your knowledge ....you were there and Im too young Wasnt the Darien scheme a scam set up by Patterson the B of E man? I saw a bit of the subscription list and all sorts from Lords and Ladies to Tradesmen put in their money and borrowed money to such an extent that when it went bust Scotland was damn near bankrupt At the time, the burghs of Scotland were in the ascendency, both politically but more importantly financially, the nobles still controlled the parliament though, so when they ended up skint due to Darien they sought the easy way out and to he'll with anyone else who put money in
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Post by notanimby on Oct 30, 2014 17:22:28 GMT -1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-29834367I add this and although it takes us off in another direction I am confused and need help. We had the Commonwealth Games - we embraced the Commonwealth nations and we were informed it would generate millions for the City and the people would have a 'lasting legacy'. Many of us believed this to be nothing more than spin and now this piece is on the BBC news site. How can this city be in such deficit on a continuous basis given all the 'events that will generate prosperity for her citizens' can someone explain this to me? Because the blow money willy nilly on complete rubbish that only enrich themselves, via mad and economically unsound aleos like parking, every other place with parking enforcers issuing tickets run at a profit, glasgow council has to bail their parking company out regularly. They are massively over manned and run mad projects at huge ost with no return either financially or benefit to the community
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Post by ozneil on Oct 30, 2014 18:57:43 GMT -1
People desperate for the games for various reasons over emphasise the plusses and the feasibility studies arent properly checked out. They say its good for the city but I havent seen it after the Brisbane and Sydney games
Check who actually made $$$ out of them.
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Post by ozneil on Oct 30, 2014 19:21:27 GMT -1
I know very little about Scottish history of that period .
I got the bit about Darien from Neil Oliver's History of Scotland TV series
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Post by notanimby on Oct 31, 2014 5:13:24 GMT -1
I know very little about Scottish history of that period . I got the bit about Darien from Neil Oliver's History of Scotland TV series try and seek out books by professor tom devine, Scotlands premier historian - think he covers off that era well
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 19:59:51 GMT -1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-29834367I add this and although it takes us off in another direction I am confused and need help. We had the Commonwealth Games - we embraced the Commonwealth nations and we were informed it would generate millions for the City and the people would have a 'lasting legacy'. Many of us believed this to be nothing more than spin and now this piece is on the BBC news site. How can this city be in such deficit on a continuous basis given all the 'events that will generate prosperity for her citizens' can someone explain this to me? Good question, Gilly, and not a little party political politics at play here, I think. Glasgow City Council is currently (hopefully not for much longer) Labour-controlled. They are extremely fond of not actually representing the best interests of Glasgow's people: if they were, they'd welcome a council tax freeze. Which puts more disposable income in people's pockets in theory (but not when wages are frozen and cost of living rising of course). We already have some of the most expensive CT in the whole of the UK, partly explained by the very wealthy neighbourhoods being mainly outwith the city boundary---and thus pay big cash to their local authorities, not ours, therefore everyone living in the city paying more, proportionately. I agree many of us were sceptical about the fiscal legacy of the Games and other events this year. I suspect it's been mainly hotels, restaurants, transport and those who work in events who've mostly benefitted from the influx. Which is no bad thing, in itself, and hopefully has preserved jobs and livelihoods-- but for how long? Tourism figures will no doubt arrive in the fullness of time..... I agree with Nota: GCC are (ahem) well-staffed and while it's good that they pay the living wage to their lower paid staff, at the middle and upper range their salaries I reckon are about 50% more than the equivalent jobs in the private sector. (I recently did a salary benchmarking exercise and included evidence of GCC arts sector pay..) It's also true, I think, that generous pension arrangements are in play at GCC. That doesn't come cheap. It might also be the case, genuinely, that a higher amount of the city budget is spent on social services than in other councils. Again this due to the level of deprivation in the city compared to its wealthier suburbs? Glasgow's demographic is quite unique in that way. However, I'm inclined to believe that once the stranglehold of Labour is broken in GCC, the situation might be better managed. One way I'd favour would be to replace Council Tax by a local income tax: in my view a lot fairer because then every earner in a household pays towards it. Currently we can have 2/3/4 wage earners paying one CT with only a 25% reduction for single people.
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Post by ozneil on Oct 31, 2014 21:05:22 GMT -1
labour/socialist governments are always big spenders will keep spending to your last £ then borrow... they are not good managers
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Post by notanimby on Oct 31, 2014 21:23:18 GMT -1
labour/socialist governments are always big spenders will keep spending to your last £ then borrow... they are not good managers Really? So how come our current right wing fukwits currently governing the UK are spending more money than ever, increasing the UK debt from @ £700million ( built up by the right wing fukwits in the Labour Party (1997 -2010) to almost £1.5trillion in only four years. Kinda puts paid to your rather ignorant obsession about spendthrift socialists ( never mind the fact that we, in the UK, haven't had a socialist government ( or even a pale imitation of one) since Atlee in 1945 or maybe Wilson at a push in the 1960s.. Even that auld bitch Thatcher increased taxation by around 50% during her time in office and spent it all and more on crass unworkable monastery policires draft up by some twat called Milton Friedman .
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Post by ozneil on Oct 31, 2014 22:53:11 GMT -1
Really
Name 3 economical successful socialist regimes
I can only think of one and thats an oil based economy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 23:16:20 GMT -1
Norway. Scotland. Iceland.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 23:23:08 GMT -1
labour/socialist governments are always big spenders will keep spending to your last £ then borrow... they are not good managers SNP-controlled Scotland has balanced its budget this past few years. SNP is broadly left of centre yet manages to balance a social conscience with the need for ambitious, entrepreneurial wealth-creation. It's like 'socialism' is a dirty word in the minds of old fashioned people and taints all but the rightest-wing with the same brush. It might come as a horrible revelation to some, but not everyone strives their whole life to amass personal riches at the cost of others.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 23:25:11 GMT -1
Denmark. Sweden. France.
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