Who bottled a 10 year old boy?

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Before the Rangers-Celtic 'game' on Sunday, while the majority of fans behaved themselves, a minibus carrying fans was attacked by fans of the other side.

A wee boy was hit in the face by a flying bottle, launched by some knuckle-dragging amoeba.
He's lost a couple of teeth and has a fractured jaw.

So far the guilty f*ck (I refuse to use the word 'man) hasn't handed himself in to the polis, and so far his pals haven't grassed on him....

This was the first Old Firm 'game' in three years and I know anecdotally that most people avoided the City Centre on Sunday if they could, for fear of being caught up in sectarian incidents, me included. Why should we feel we have to put up with 'disruption' on trains and tubes and on the street when there's a 'game' on?

If both clubs are to be taken at their word on their so-called Zero Tolerance policy on sectarianism, then get the guy found and prosecuted, because if that's not done, SO many of us will pressure Scottish Government to ban Old Firm 'games'.

And while we're at it, BAN RELIGIOUS MARCHES from the City Centre. Let em parade up and down some field somewhere, caged in like the animals they are.


www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-31117502

[bormes]

I do not think either club can be blamed for this cowardly act as it was not inside any Stadium.
There should be DNA on the bottle and Video from various shops, pubs and from discreet fan filming by the Police, I think that is the best chance of catching the person?
Banning ALL marches might help?
Not sure if that would include what ever is the fancy of the moment though?

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Feb 4, 2015 8:00:49 GMT -1 bormes said:

I do not think either club can be blamed for this cowardly act as it was not inside any Stadium.
There should be DNA on the bottle and Video from various shops, pubs and from discreet fan filming by the Police, I think that is the best chance of catching the person?
Banning ALL marches might help?
Not sure if that would include what ever is the fancy of the moment though?

On the contrary, Bormes, I think both clubs have taken steps in the three years since the last 'game' to deal with incidents within their stadiums. But they're battling against the ingrained idiocy of a few knuckledraggers, who do their cowardly doings on the streets instead.

That's why I have not named which club's fans were involved in this crime.

Better though, shirley, than to cause everyone expense and time in investigating this one, that those who KNOW the ID of this thug come forward and name him. Or better still, he gets himself a conscience and hands himself in.

However we read tonight that a local businessman's offered a £1000 reward to anyone who ID's the amoeba.

And yeah, I'd ban all marches that are based on religious beliefs and I'd also ban faith schools of any denomination. Keep religious displays to within places of worship, I say, whatever they may be.


Surely we need to find what binds us, not what separates us?
<dream on, me>

[bormes]

Yes Rolo, I agree about the religous stuff, I too would not allow faith schools of any kind.
Although it was a Celtic "supporter" that did this, it could just as easily have been a Rangers one, or in fact almost any other Club.
I wonder if when we get rid of Westmonster, will the then MP's have the courage to stop faith schools and remove Trident?
Both which are so dangerous to our childrens future.

[ozneil]

I dont know about religious schools. We have more religious schools here than you can poke a stick at. From Pressbutton, Anglican, Catholic Jewish, Muslim, to German and Japanese as well as secular private schools and Independent schools. There is no religious conflict except perhaps with the Muslim schools.

I know a pommy friend of mine was astounded when after a grand final match the supporters, many wearing their opposing team strips, went to the same footy club and drank together discussing the game with no animosity.

I just cant see rangers and celtic supporter adjourning to a pub together and doing that

However....... Soccer is an entirely different kettle of fish. It is mostly played by migrants from enemy nations eg Croatia & Serbia and others the migrants support their own teams and some times there are violent clashes between the supporters during and after a match. Maybe its soccer that causes it?

Here for three games of soccer they insisted that the games where the supporters were the worst behaved were played without spectators... that calmed them down for a while

Our best religious march is for Chinese New Year and its fantastic (some of the people in this parade look remarkably Caucasian ). We have few others but they are largely ignored, eg The blessing of the fishing fleet somewhere or other. Gorra be others but I cant think of any.

[bormes]

Our anti Catholic Government has still a large number of followers in the UK, Scotland and Ireland still have halfwits who would and do fight over this shite.
I think it is mainly the fault of the Catholics from the point of view that they DEMAND their faith schools and instead of having a State school system that can teach ALL religions and none equally, then there is immediately at such early age a system making children DIFFERENT?

[celyn]

Feb 6, 2015 9:14:48 GMT -1 bormes said:

Our anti Catholic Government has still a large number of followers in the UK, Scotland and Ireland still have halfwits who would and do fight over this shite.

I'm not sure that I agree that we have an anti-Catholic government. However, I admit it's not something that I give a lot of thought to, so you might be right. Do you have in mind the whole "Catholic cannot be queen/king?" thing? Or the ridiculous business of having Church of England bishops in the House of Lords?

Both of those things are very wrong, but I'm hardly going to campaign for the rights of Roman Catholic believers to become monarch when I would prefer to get rid of the whole monarchy thing. Likewise the nastiness of the Church of England bishops in the House of Lords: it is horribly unfair to Catholics, but is also horribly unfair to everyone else too. In fact I met the Flying Spaghetti Monster in a vision only just last week and she agrees with me. (The Invisible Pink Unicorn agrees too, but prefers not to be quoted publicly unless she is given more pizza.)


I'm not picking a fight here, Bormes, and I hope it doesn't seem so, but am genuinely unsure (or unknowing) about this "anti-Catholic" thing.

Feb 6, 2015 9:14:48 GMT -1 bormes said:

I think it is mainly the fault of the Catholics from the point of view that they DEMAND their faith schools and instead of having a State school system that can teach ALL religions and none equally, then there is immediately at such early age a system making children DIFFERENT?

Definitely I would want rid of faith schools. Children can go to schools, learn actual stuff, and if parents want the kid to learn about their religion, that can be done out of school hours.

(As a matter of full disclosure, my Mum was brought up R.C., and my Dad was brought up C.of S., and growing up in the East End of Glasgow, I didn't really get any of the sectarian nonsense that we hear about.)

[ozneil]

Slightly off topic but only slightly.

Our State primary schools teach religious education for about an hour a week. Because the schools are sectarian various clergy and lay people are invited in to teach their respective flocks. The religions cover the whole gambit from Anglican through to Zenist.

At one local Primary, where Mrs Oz used to do "casual" teaching, they had about 30 different religions including the obvious ones like anglican, catholic, orthodox then the more exotic ones like taoist, hindu and quite a few others and of course "No Religion" Some of these teachers could control their classes most couldnt so mayhem arose until a reg teacher came into control the kids. The kids themselves used to "shop around" going to see what happened in their friends classes and go to the one which were a hoot. I dont think this was the "do-gooders" idea just ideology without thinking it through

Mrs Oz, when it was her turn, took a "No religion" class and generally had a sing-song with the kids. She found she was asked in playground if she was taking a "no religion" class that day by lots of kids. She found her congregation was expanding exponentially. She was eventually told to desist as some the religious classes were suffering from lack of students who seemed to have lost their religion and the "holy Wullies" were complaining



Mrs Oz cut her teaching teeth in Annfield School off the Gallowgate with up to 45 kids in her class, she liked the kids, after that anything else was a doddle

[bormes]

Celyn,
Our country has been set up as a Protestant country and as such there still are things, like some you mention, that a Catholic is not allowed to do or a position they can not hold.
That is what I was meaning.
Like you I would have no time for royals, lords and ladies either and would get rid of the house of lords in an instant.
I put forward the position about Catholic schools because THEY are the ones who demand their own schools in the main.
I would have no faith schools of any kind.
I would also suggest that faith schools are the biggest (next to stupid biased bitter parents) cause of breeding dislike of each other's religions. It is despairing that in this day and age this tripe is being forced into children, no wonder there is dislike and violence as instead of slowing down or stopping religious nonsense we are encouraging it, particularly with the stone age thinkers of islam.

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I'd heartily say bye-bye to faith schools of whatever denomination: they promote 'differences'.
"Your" God's not as good as "our" God. Na na na na na. It's playground stuff.

If schools MUST educate about sky fairies, then it should shirley be via a broad, objective view of ALL religions, examining what they all stand for and letting kids make their own mind up if they want to subscribe to any of them when they're old enough to have an opinion.

Unfortunately though, so many kids are indoctrinated in their home environment from Day One.
That's more of a problem, I think-- and one that cuts across way more than the local 'sectarian' divide.

I grew up in an extended family that had a sectarian matriarch, aye calling the next door neighbours for something or other. Until they installed a phone in the 60s, the first one in the street. Suddenly they were best pals in her view.

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Meanwhile, back on topic, looks like the guy who bottled a ten year old boy hasn't given himself up. YET.
And none of his pals have grassed on him. YET.

For shame.

[ozneil]

Going by Mrs Oz's experiences with umpteen religions being "taught" in schools here and the kids not giving a damn, in fact being curious about what their mates had at RI, I would say it comes from the home.

I was at a Catholic wedding a few years back where they went through the whole rigmarole, jumping up and down Yelling at each other and trying to fumigate the joint. Us heathens just sat quietly at the back.

At the reception I had a nice chat with the priest who asked me how I found the service and had I been to one in the Catholic Church before. Just a pleasant chat with a nice guy... no pressure brought to bear. No fuming at pagans and threats of hellfire

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We're left kinda wondering if the amoeba that bottled a ten year old felt compelled to do so in the name of his God.
His god being better than anyone else's of course.

What a well -constructed argument he's made.

The guys so proud of his principles he's decided to hide and not take responsibility for his crime. A coward of the first order, arent they all, when they know fine well they've done wrong.

GET HIM FOUND. Loads of folks know who and where he is and their consciences will be troubling them.

[ozneil]

Are you surprised he hasnt owned up.

These knuckle draggers has little or no conscience and a very short attention span.

[bormes]

My thought on this awful incident is believe it or not, it is a huge improvement on the past.
When I was young "Screwtops" were regularly thrown from the back of crowds to the front and most times hit people kids and adults with abandon!!
Utterly awful and ALL the clubs had this problem.
Fortunately this is quite a rare occurence now.
Thank goodness, I am surprised the Police have not got him yet?