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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 19:28:46 GMT -1
Whilst celebrating the Johan Lamont I came across this www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z9v_4htRbd8One of the SNP's best assets has thrown in the towel, ironically saying the reason for it was London interference in Scottish affairs - now if only there was a way recently of stopping that I honestly believe if the SNP move quickly enough and keep the momentum going of Sept 19 - we could really advance the cause of Independence. The UK parties are falling and failing, but we must not become complacent because sadly it could happen to us, we could schism, divide and be the laughing stock. If we seized this opportunity that is presenting itself as the 'stable' party - the home of stability, the home of common sense and unity (above all I believe the electorate hates disunity) then we could romp home with SNP MP's at Westminster and be a complete thorn in the side of the other parties, but especially Labour. Oh and can someone tell me if it's New Labour, Labour or 'red Tories'?
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Post by notanimby on Oct 26, 2014 19:42:54 GMT -1
Whilst celebrating the Johan Lamont I came across this www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z9v_4htRbd8One of the SNP's best assets has thrown in the towel, ironically saying the reason for it was London interference in Scottish affairs - now if only there was a way recently of stopping that I honestly believe if the SNP move quickly enough and keep the momentum going of Sept 19 - we could really advance the cause of Independence. The UK parties are falling and failing, but we must not become complacent because sadly it could happen to us, we could schism, divide and be the laughing stock. If we seized this opportunity that is presenting itself as the 'stable' party - the home of stability, the home of common sense and unity (above all I believe the electorate hates disunity) then we could romp home with SNP MP's at Westminster and be a complete thorn in the side of the other parties, but especially Labour. Oh and can someone tell me if it's New Labour, Labour or 'red Tories'?
Same faces of the one coin??? Although quickly turning into the People's Front of Judea versus The Judean People's Front
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 20:08:35 GMT -1
Labour/Scottish Labour are all over the place. Deeply divided.
Oh the irony of Johann stepping down due to 'interference' from the Westminster branch of her party: if only she'd had the guts to come out and say that before the Indy Ref, not a month later...it really does beggar belief.
Who will lead Scottish Labour into the GE 2015? Pretty much all the supposed 'candidates' have today said they won't accept any nominations. Why would they? Because it's a poisoned chalice-- Labour are dead in the water in many previous strongholds whose kneejerk votes they took for granted.
Come May, ScotLab are going to lose many Westmonster seats to the SNP-- thus changing the balance of power in the SNP's favour, along with Plaid Cymru.
In Scotland we'll see Nicola as First Minister, Keith Brown as her deputy and very possibly the much despised Jim Murphy as Scotlab leader. While Alex Salmond may well decide to stand for Westmonster in an Aberdeen constituency.
Total nightmare for Labour. And well deserved.
Pee ess. Gordon Brown won't stand for leader. He has his eyes on a bigger prize; the ermine and £300 a day attendance allowance in the House of Lords.
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Post by ozneil on Oct 27, 2014 20:18:56 GMT -1
Hope you are right Rolo.
Dont see Salmond standing in Aberdeen from what I can gather he is not really liked there. Aberdeen had one of the biggest "NO" majorities in the referendum
Get Max number SNP MPs and act as a block thta id best way forward for Scotland. Educate the rusted on Labour voters
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 20:40:32 GMT -1
Hope you are right Rolo. Dont see Salmond standing in Aberdeen from what I can gather he is not really liked there. Aberdeen had one of the biggest "NO" majorities in the referendum Get Max number SNP MPs and act as a block thta id best way forward for Scotland. Educate the rusted on Labour voters Alex is currently the MSP/FM in Aberdeenshire East, with a big majority. I might, if I were you, wonder if he won't go for the Aberdeen Gordon Westmonster seat, which is being vacated by the retiring Sir Malcolm Bruce of the Lib Dems. Aberdeenshire for many many years has been a safe LibDem seat while much of the Highlands have been SNP. Malcolm Bruce having had a very good rep as a local MP. But hey, what do I know. I hope he goes for it. I'd like to see him stand up for the best interests of the Scots along with a greater number of Scottish SNP Westminster MPs. Win/win, with Labour struggling to even exist here in Scotland. Interesting times, getting better by the minute!
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Post by ozneil on Oct 27, 2014 23:01:43 GMT -1
You may wonder coz I, as sure as hell, dont know
To me, as a furrenur, the prob is the House of Lords which has been denigrated beyond belief by your 2 main parties with life peerages to party hacks with no brains. 2 Chief Serangs & 26 bishops of C of E . bunch of chinless wonders etc etc ... sack the lot . Form a senate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 23:11:18 GMT -1
You may wonder coz I, as sure as hell, dont know To me, as a furrenur, the prob is the House of Lords which has been denigrated beyond belief by your 2 main parties with life peerages to party hacks with no brains. 2 Chief Serangs & 26 bishops of C of E . bunch of chinless wonders etc etc ... sack the lot . Form a senate. Well, PART of the problem is the HoL. Used to be they were senior people of good-standing, now anyone can 'buy' a seat in the house via donations to Lab or Tories. Plus peerages hereditary...so unelected twats can take their place just because their father/mother qualified eons ago in the last century. They get £300 a day just for turning up. Most clock in for their 'allowance' then fuck off again, not troubling the daily HoL business with their presence. Unless to promote the interests of conglomerates/businesses they're already highly paid directors of. Ooooh. Pardon my cynicism.
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Post by ozneil on Oct 27, 2014 23:14:44 GMT -1
Gees we agree thats a first But you forgot the Union bovver boys
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 20:16:22 GMT -1
Tories are under pressure from UKIP over a referendum to remove the UK from the EU. Nicola's challenged WM, saying that if indeed we are a family of nations here in the 'union' then any one of the four countries should have a veto on leaving the EU, just as the countries within the EU have on any major decision (such as Madrid vetoing Catalonia's membership should they vote for independence) David Cameron at PMQs today stated that Scotland would have to abide by a majority vote in any referendum whether the majority in Scotland voted to stay in. Same for N Ireland and Wales. Apparently that's democracy. It's all very confusing, the Tories don't want to leave the EU, neither do Lab or the LibDems but are allowing themselves to be terrorised by a couple of rampant nutters in UKIP, with the backing of even more rampant nutters who vote for them in SE England. Laugh? I thought I'd never start....
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Post by ozneil on Oct 29, 2014 20:49:18 GMT -1
You voted to join the UK in 1707 and you voted this year to remain part of the UK.
The majority vote within the whole of UK wins. Thats what UNITED means
I still think messrs Wilson & Heath really f****d up things by joining EU buts is now too late to back out.
PS who is Nicola?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 21:03:09 GMT -1
You voted to join the UK in 1707 and you voted this year to remain part of the UK. The majority vote within the whole of UK wins. Thats what UNITED means I still think messrs Wilson & Heath really f****d up things by joining EU buts is now too late to back out. PS who is Nicola? Interested to know why you believe UK's membership of the EU was a fuckup? PS Nicky's our incumbent First Minister. Takes over from Alex at party conference next month, while he pretends to consider going back to WM to be a thorn in the side of the Unionists.
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Post by ozneil on Oct 29, 2014 23:19:05 GMT -1
]Interested to know why you believe UK's membership of the EU was a fuckup? You gave up "Most Favoured Trading" status with the most fantastic trading conglomerate the world had ever seen for some obscure ideological reasons that are way beyond me. You have certainly suffered. Your standard of living has dropped, in comparison, your unemployment has risen. You are bound by decisions made by un-elected commissioners. You are just another EU country that is moaning like buggery about having to support even less productive EU countries. Imagine if your trading block, with preferential tariffs and all the other perks that go with it, included countries such as India, Canada, Australia and New Zealand to say nothing of Pacific and African nations. In other words the Commonwealth nations. You had good will there but you blew it. What have you got that could equal that? Wilson & Heath have a lot to answer for.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 23:48:06 GMT -1
"You gave up "Most Favoured Trading" status with the most fantastic trading conglomerate the world had ever seen for some obscure ideological reasons that are way beyond me. You have certainly suffered. Your standard of living has dropped, in comparison, your unemployment has risen. You are bound by decisions made by un-elected commissioners. You are just another EU country that is moaning like buggery about having to support even less productive EU countries"
Our standard of living has dropped? Compared to whose? Our unemployment has risen? Compared to whose? We are bound by decisions made by unelected commissioners? Really? So our elected MEPs (Members of the European Parliament) have no say? Re 'just another EU country moaning' I think you'll find that's England. Not Scotland. WM has been caught out massively by pretending to not know they had to pay back taxes via the signed agreement with the EU. Cameron is under siege by UKIP so is therefore pretending UK will not pay their dues. Of course we will, just not any time soon, until the Tories believe they've seen off UKIP. Wake up, OZ. Don't believe everything you read in the red top Ozzie rags! Or even what your No voting Scottish pals say.... "Imagine if your trading block, with preferential tariffs and all the other perks that go with it, included countries such as India, Canada, Australia and New Zealand to say nothing of Pacific and African nations. In other words the Commonwealth nations. You had good will there but you blew it.
What have you got that could equal that? " What makes you think we don't trade with all of the above? Scotland most certainly does. Scotland's GDP is higher than that of the rest of UK. Scotland's unemployment rate is less than the rest of UK. And that's WITHOUT independence... Ask your Scottish NO voting pals if they believe Scotland will be better off leaving the EU. Chances are they were all far too busy hating the SNP at IndyRef to actually FIGURE OUT the real, long term implications of their NO vote.
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Post by ozneil on Oct 30, 2014 3:33:37 GMT -1
My answer is restricted only to Commonwealth countries who you ditched
Rolo Rote
Our standard of living has dropped? Compared to whose? More advance commonwealth countries with whom you used to have a large amount of trade eg Canada, Australia, NZ & Singapore
Our unemployment has risen? Compared to whose? same as above with possible exception of Canada
We are bound by decisions made by unelected commissioners? Really? So our elected MEPs (Members of the European Parliament) have no say? Virtually none they can be out voted at every turn You have to conform to EU edicts (poor suckers)
Re 'just another EU country moaning' I think you'll find that's England. Not Scotland. Your country is United Kingdom in EU parliament WM has been caught out massively by pretending to not know they had to pay back taxes via the signed agreement with the EU. You were mugs to sign any such agreement (fools and money)
Before WW2 80% of our trade was with UK. Most of the buses in Sydney were Albions. Only imports I can find from Scotland are Scotch (a gorra have) and some boutique foods (Kippers shortbread etc) Course you still trade with Commonwealth Countries but at a much reduced volume. Now our trade with UK is 8%.
Think of the fantastic protected markets you would have had if you hadnt been conned into joining EU by Wilson & Heath 2 of the most inept PMS you had till Blair arrived. (Callahan & Brown were nearly as bad )
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Post by notanimby on Oct 30, 2014 5:16:47 GMT -1
You voted to join the UK in 1707 and you voted this year to remain part of the UK. The majority vote within the whole of UK wins. Thats what UNITED means I still think messrs Wilson & Heath really f****d up things by joining EU buts is now too late to back out. PS who is Nicola? Er the people didn't vote in 1707 to join the union - far from it, a few noblemen voted to do it ( as they were the people who lost money in the Darien Scheme) hence Burns words about a parcel of rogues in a nation - any conflation of that episode with anything like democracy is complete and utter nonsense In fact the vast majority population ( who didn't have the franchise) were rioting in the streets over the decision Fareweel to a' our Scottish fame, Fareweel our ancient glory; Fareweel ev'n to the Scottish name, Sae fam'd in martial story. Now Sark rins over Solway sands, An' Tweed rins to the ocean, To mark where England's province stands- Such a parcel of rogues in a nation! What force or guile could not subdue, Thro' many warlike ages, Is wrought now by a coward few, For hireling traitor's wages. The English stell we could disdain, Secure in valour's station; But English gold has been our bane- Such a parcel of rogues in a nation! O would, or I had seen the day That Treason thus could sell us, My auld grey head had lien in clay, Wi' Bruce and loyal Wallace! But pith and power, till my last hour, I'll mak this declaration; We're bought and sold for English gold- Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
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