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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 2:44:11 GMT -1
OK, this is a genuine question here.
Do we think those companies employing folks on zero hours are taking the piss now and then?
Reason for asking: wean is having a bit of a difficult time in her p/t job down Ashton.
Evening shifts she'll start at 6 or 7 to the bar closing time at 12 or 1am.
Thereafter the staff are *obliged* to do the cleanup and wait for the manager/supervisor to finish the cashing up etc, usually an hour at least, and often two--for which they are not paid.
When working more than 6 hours straight, the staff are allowed a break of 20 mins or so but only IF IT's NOT BUSY out front. If it is they're told they have to forgo their break.
And if the management have wrongly forecast how busy a night's gonna be and called in more staff than are required, they send folks home early and only pay them for the hours they've worked.
That all seems wrong to me.
Wean tells me that nobody wants to speak out re working conditions for fear of being given "less shifts". We all know it happens, it's kinda constructive dismissal except zero hours workers have absolutely ZERO employment rights.
Said to wean to challenge manager face to face, most back down--or at least take you seriously and negotiate if you do. (But to aye have got yerself another job up your sleeve to go to...)
But where we are now, it seems, is that big employers give it the sword of Damocles, as in 'there's a hundred other people ready and willing to take your place"
And thus, people are subjected to whatever conditions their employer believes they can 'get away with'.
At minimum wage: £5.60 an hour. FUXACHE.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 20:25:29 GMT -1
In my humble view, the 'weans' employer should be named and personally, I would boycott said places and make it widely known but that's me. I've seen effective campaigning done and I've got many anecdotal stories to back up the success of such actions. As I stated, that's just me but most suffer in silence for many other reasons....
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Post by ozneil on Jan 3, 2015 21:03:10 GMT -1
Im sorry for the wean sounds like she's has got the rough end of the pineapple.
any other jobs around?
Name and shame as Gilly suggests seems a good response.
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Post by bormes on Jan 3, 2015 21:38:14 GMT -1
Typical of the Group.
Look for another job but stick out where she is until she has another one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 23:09:03 GMT -1
In my humble view, the 'weans' employer should be named and personally, I would boycott said places and make it widely known but that's me. I've seen effective campaigning done and I've got many anecdotal stories to back up the success of such actions. As I stated, that's just me but most suffer in silence for many other reasons.... Hello Gilly, how's you? Good to hear from you! I'd be well interested in hearing any examples you have of the success of boycotting if you fancy sharing the info? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 23:10:41 GMT -1
Im sorry for the wean sounds like she's has got the rough end of the pineapple. any other jobs around? Name and shame as Gilly suggests seems a good response. No she hasn't, Oz, no more than thousands of others. This seems to be standard practice now. Minimum wage, zero hours contracts for people working part-time hours. |
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Post by ozneil on Jan 4, 2015 23:26:54 GMT -1
Im sorry for the wean sounds like she's has got the rough end of the pineapple. any other jobs around? Name and shame as Gilly suggests seems a good response. No she hasn't, Oz, no more than thousands of others. This seems to be standard practice now. Minimum wage, zero hours contracts for people working part-time hours. Thats shit some real bastards around. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 23:42:43 GMT -1
Typical of the Group. Look for another job but stick out where she is until she has another one. Well I knew I could count on you to get it bang on.  We are of course talking G1 Group in this instance. But they're not alone in exploiting people, very far from it  Of course I said to the wean to look out for other pt jobs and not to move on till she's secured one. But it seems to me it's a bit frying pan/fire, as long as unscrupulous employers continue to take the total piss by exploiting folks in all the ways I described. From breaking employment law rules on breaks, to expecting unpaid hours, to sending staff home early when they've committed to a shift and can't make it up at such short notice in other jobs. I'm not giving it bleeding heart for my wean, btw. It's a bit shit that she shows up on time, every time, does an efficient job and and is willing to come and go with employers if the need arises. But she still lives at home and is working to avoid mega student loan debt. What REALLY bothers me is that folks who depend on work to pay their rent and bills are being routinely treated so shoddily.
As Gilly says, many suffer in silence for fear of losing their livelihood. Wean has organised a staff meeting to raise concerns with their management and I think it's important they stand up for their employment rights, but at the same time I do totally get why folks can feel demoralised and exploited and unable to take their employer to task. G1 Group staff turnover is insanely high. It just seems to me--call me old-fashioned--that if you take proper care of your staff's welfare, pay reasonable wages for the job they're doing and give them a modicum of job-security by way of 8/12/16/24/30 hours contracts they will not only invest in staff loyalty but save themselves a WHOLE BUNCH of money in recruitment/training. But of course they know, as so many employers do, that you can get really good people working on the total cheap. £5.60 an hour? Bejasus. |
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Post by ozneil on Jan 4, 2015 23:49:45 GMT -1
If its any help
The minimum "casual Work" shift here is 4 hours, no matter if you work less pay is for 4 hours at a min rate of $16.67 + super
PS with exception of School kids which is 2 hours, so they can work a couple of hours in a shop after school.
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Post by bormes on Jan 5, 2015 20:50:29 GMT -1
In the year 2000 Minimum wage was just over 100,000
Last year it was just over 622,000
We, the taxpayers pay for the benefits while the Multi Nationals take ALL the profit OUT of our country and pay NO TAX.
The next tax I think they will increase hugely is the NI Contributions with the EXCUSE of the NHS needing it, or wrap it up in some way to say it is ONLY for the NHS??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 18:50:06 GMT -1
In the year 2000 Minimum wage was just over 100,000 Last year it was just over 622,000 We, the taxpayers pay for the benefits while the Multi Nationals take ALL the profit OUT of our country and pay NO TAX.The next tax I think they will increase hugely is the NI Contributions with the EXCUSE of the NHS needing it, or wrap it up in some way to say it is ONLY for the NHS?? Precisely Bormes, it's completely unacceptable but people are so 'cowed' into taking any job at any conditions, the big tax evaders are laughing at us ordinary people for picking up the top-up benefits tab. NHS is a timebomb, particularly in England, a little less so in Scotland---it's a devolved issue and one very close to the SNP government's heart. NI contributions rise exponentially with salary and I've no quibble with that, personally. But I believe you're right and we'll see a big rise, whatever the result of the General Election in May. There's PLENTY of money around. But inequality of distribution is, I think, the biggest problem we face. Make no mistake, the Tories WANT the NHS privatised and are deliberately withholding investment to run it down, thus giving them the excuse to sell it off to their pals. |
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