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Post by ozneil on Apr 24, 2015 0:50:38 GMT -1
I dont normally watch his stuff just not my cup of tea However I had to watch this to see if he gave credit where credit is due. In my opinion he didnt It was about the last few months of the war . He mentioned how the last great German offensive was stopped in April by British troops. The British 5th Army had shot its bolt in magnificent engagements as they had retreated but the Germans were actually stopped by the ANZACS at Villers-Bretonneux and it was recaptured by them on 25th April 1918, by coincidence ANZAC Day. Villers-Bretonneux school %20Villers%20Bretonneux%20School.jpg.jpg) Street sign  He went on to say that the British broke through the German line on plans and under the command of "the brilliant Australian General John Monash" he forgot to mention that the British Infantry was mostly ANZACs bolstered by 2 divisions of American forces under Australian command as well as UK forces in support (tanks, artillery and airforce also under Australian command). They advanced 16 km (10 miles) in first day General Erich Ludendorff the German commander is quoted as saying this was the day they lost the war. I tend to get a bit pissed off by his rather biased programmes. |
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Post by notanimby on Apr 24, 2015 18:07:56 GMT -1
I dont normally watch his stuff just not my cup of tea However I had to watch this to see if he gave credit where credit is due. In my opinion he didnt It was about the last few months of the war . He mentioned how the last great German offensive was stopped in April by British troops. The British 5th Army had shot its bolt in magnificent engagements as they had retreated but the Germans were actually stopped by the ANZACS at Villers-Bretonneux and it was recaptured by them on 25th April 1918, by coincidence ANZAC Day. Villers-Bretonneux school Street sign He went on to say that the British broke through the German line on plans and under the command of "the brilliant Australian General John Monash" he forgot to mention that the British Infantry was mostly ANZACs bolstered by 2 divisions of American forces under Australian command as well as UK forces in support (tanks, artillery and airforce also under Australian command). They advanced 16 km (10 miles) in first day General Erich Ludendorff the German commander is quoted as saying this was the day they lost the war. I tend to get a bit pissed off by his rather biased programmes. No he know how we feel when "britains" military " victories" are celebrated dunkirk - no mention is ever really made of the Hoghland Divisions rear guard action that saved the Brit forces Gallipolli - same as you guys paschendale Ypres |
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Post by ozneil on Apr 24, 2015 21:03:02 GMT -1
like you we are used to it I forgot to mention the Canadians attacking on our left flank ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Anzac Day Dawn Service today 4:30am Sydney soldier with red hat band is from NZ Army Wellington |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 2:40:28 GMT -1
History rewritten--- or at the very least--- biased towards the political view of the commissioning broadcasters or rather, their handlers. I bang on about media bias ALL THE TIME, at risk of boring everyone to fecking death..so I feel slightly less mad that you've posted that. I've learned something tonight too. Just this very week I had an email enquiry from Monash Uni in Melbourne, looking for a piece of music. I'd no idea why it had been named such, but I know now  If anyone has six minutes to spare, please watch this clip from Gallipoli, a film that helped shape my political---yes Oz, even lefty!--- views 30 years ago. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eeijbtbnjQThe first part of the soundtrack is by Jean Michele Jarre and Vangelis, the Greek composer-- and the end part is the Italian Albinoni's Adagio in G minor, so appropriate. Heartbreaking. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 3:24:32 GMT -1
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Post by ozneil on Apr 25, 2015 5:47:02 GMT -1
Glad its not only us that remembers the sacrifice and utter stupidity of the leadership. Even landed them in the wrong place and then refused to let them withdraw.
We lost faith in Brit Command structure there and eventually withdrew all troops from Brit command. The first fully planned and executed ANZAC battle was Villers-Bretonneux. That's the one Tony forgot to mention ANZAC troops
In Canberra they normally have about 30,000 at dawn service. This year they planned on 40,000. They got 120,000
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Post by ozneil on Apr 25, 2015 6:32:02 GMT -1
Monash was brilliant but if 3rd Ypres Amiens battle had failed he would have been out the British High Command didnt like him for the following reasons.
1 He was Orstryan
2 He wasnt a regular soldier he was Militia and a civil Engineer by profession
3 He had brains
4 He was the son of migrants from Prussia of all places
5 He was Jewish
If he had failed he was cactus.
His troops respected and trusted him His planning was meticulous he cared about keeping casualties down. He didnt command from a Chateau miles behind the lines.
The Brits ignored the techniques he had shown them in 1918. However one guy realised their worth and used Monash's techniques years later He was Heinz Wilhelm Guderian and he used Monash's technique very successfully in Poland, France and Russia. while the British & French still tried to fight a 1914 war.
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Post by ozneil on Apr 25, 2015 20:30:49 GMT -1
Another 'troublemaker' was brigadier-general Thomas William Glasgow another Militia soldier a cattle property owner from Queensland. His parents were Ulster Scots. His remarks when he was ordered to attack Villers-Bretonneux, a French town vital to the integrity of the whole Allied line have passed into folklore .
Brit General Heneker told him that the attack was to be made from Cachy. Glasgow, who had studied the scene, said he could not do it that way, because that would cost too many lives.
"Tell us what you want us to do, Sir, but you must let us do it our own way."
General Heneker was flabbergasted, especially when Glasgow also said that he wanted the time of the attack changed. British army officers were not supposed to argue with their superiors. But after some arguing it was settled that the attack should be made as Glasgow desired (the attack became a resounding success).
Despite a tenacious defence during the 1918 German spring offensive, Major General Heneker's division was overrun at the town of Villers-Bretonneux. Fortunately Sir Thomas William Glasgow's 13th Brigade (Australia), and Harold Elliott's 15th Brigade (Australia), managed to recapture the location on 25 April 1918, and this feat of arms was later described by Lieutenant General Sir John Monash, commander of the Australian Corps, as the turning-point of the war.
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Post by bormes on Apr 26, 2015 8:24:00 GMT -1
Personally I get sickened by the likes of bliar, broon (the paedo) cameron balls millipud and ilk piously standing in some church or other singing and doing the dutiful noises expected, then posturing in front of cameras with sickly sweet platitudes about how we all owe so much to our wonderful troops, while turning their backs on them after the wars are over, giving them shite equipment, shite leaders who give shite orders on the back of shite politicians who give not a shite for said troops only caring about good PR as being seen visiting troops in the sand box always has the cameras around.
When did the last political leader in any party take up arms to defend our country?
When did the son of the leader of any political party do so either?
Do not think that the two royal pricks did anything other than be cossetted by SF personnel for photo opportunity spots.
I support our troops when politics fails and we have to fight, however I would much prefer to support a politician who did NOT go galavanting on American sponsored adventures!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 20:42:11 GMT -1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 20:46:47 GMT -1
Another 'troublemaker' was brigadier-general Thomas William Glasgow another Militia soldier a cattle property owner from Queensland. His parents were Ulster Scots. His remarks when he was ordered to attack Villers-Bretonneux, a French town vital to the integrity of the whole Allied line have passed into folklore . Brit General Heneker told him that the attack was to be made from Cachy. Glasgow, who had studied the scene, said he could not do it that way, because that would cost too many lives. " Tell us what you want us to do, Sir, but you must let us do it our own way."General Heneker was flabbergasted, especially when Glasgow also said that he wanted the time of the attack changed. British army officers were not supposed to argue with their superiors. But after some arguing it was settled that the attack should be made as Glasgow desired (the attack became a resounding success). Despite a tenacious defence during the 1918 German spring offensive, Major General Heneker's division was overrun at the town of Villers-Bretonneux. Fortunately Sir Thomas William Glasgow's 13th Brigade (Australia), and Harold Elliott's 15th Brigade (Australia), managed to recapture the location on 25 April 1918, and this feat of arms was later described by Lieutenant General Sir John Monash, commander of the Australian Corps, as the turning-point of the war. Fascinating stuff, if a wee bit grim, Oz. Clearly you don't get a Uni named after you unless you're pretty darned rated. Should I ever get to meet my colleague at Monash, we'll have both music and Australian history to talk about. Thanks for enlightening me! |
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Post by ozneil on Apr 26, 2015 21:03:04 GMT -1
Rolo Rote He was quite a guy Apart from anything else he helped to introduce reinforced concrete to Australia  From Wiki |
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Post by ozneil on Apr 26, 2015 21:15:08 GMT -1
For Bormes really
2 of our Prime Ministers saw active service in WW2 John Gorton RAAF Kitty Hawk pilot North Africa & PNG. Gough Whitlam RAAF navigator PNG Also our Governor General started off his army career as a infantry platoon leader in Vietnam
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 22:26:59 GMT -1
UKE Prime Ministers have mostly seen the inside of private schools and either Oxford or Cambridge University.
Very few cabinet ministers of either Tory or Labour persuasion (is there any difference we have to wonder?) have had real jobs of any significance.
Whereas, Alex Salmond was previously an economist with the RBS, while Nicola Sturgeon was a lawyer, doing pro bono work in Glasgow.
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Post by ozneil on Apr 26, 2015 23:36:11 GMT -1
Labour here usually "Career Politicians" University then work for labour party in some capacity or Union hacks being rewarded by a safe seat. A sprinkling of lawyers. THe leader of Opposition is a Union Hack. The Union hacks are good for a laugh mostly thick as 2 short planks. There are exceptions some are very good people. One was member was in a very strong labour electorate. He fell out with hierarchy and stood as an independent and won. BTW His electorate is roughly the size of France lot of travelling he lost both his legs in Vietnam doesnt stop him, a really good man
Libs mostly lawyers some accountants. Abbott is an ex-journalist and an economost. He is a Rhodes Scholar Cambridge I think. Treasurer is a lawyer, Foreign Sec is a barrister. Some "Career Politicians" as well
Nats usually same but with a good sprinkling of Property Owners (farmers). The nationals mostly represent country electorates
Greens People that couldnt get a job as village idiot
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