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Post by ozneil on Mar 20, 2013 2:14:23 GMT -1
As ever Australia's a year or two behind. Must be the time difference  Check out the OECD figures for this year Not that being 7th or 8th is substantially different, Oz ;D Scotland is still WAY WAY higher up the league than the UK. Care to dispute that? Scotland isnt mentioned here only UK my tables were 2012 Tell that to people who rely on pensions, I think they prefer to eat. You can buy into "ethical funds" but they dont do well as they tend to invest in "greenie" firms that couldnt make a profit in a monopoly. So dont knock the poor superannuant who relies on the performance of his/her super fund to live Shares in Major Banks here pay about 5-6% tax paid. Term deposits pay 4-4.5% tax to pay Why? We all broke away from England NZ has same population as Scotland . The main difference is we started from scratch While you would have Infrastructure and industry etc in place. The almost full employments comes from successful ventures and a reliable work force. I didnt say that you did No argument from me What I have been trying to say before I got side tracked is IF WE CAN DO IT THERE IS NO REASON IN THIS WIDE WORLD WHY YOU CANT I think NZ is a better example for you to follow rather than Sweden you have more in common with the people and much the same climate. Your advantage being you are more compact NZ is about size of UK. Mind you NZ has much better neighbours Profit is not a dirty word. Profit is needed to update & expand. Pay workers from CEO down as much as can be afforded but not to the extent it jeopordises the company or the rate of investment from shareholders. Have workers (not union hacks)on any management committee they know how things are done and usually good value. Pay the earth for top class brains and listen to them. Their nationality doesnt matter, One of our top bankers is South African lady. Puts soap box away  PS If you follow NZ's lead they may teach you how to play rugby, after having beaten you 86 consecutive times they should be able to give you a few pointers  |
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Post by notanimby on Mar 20, 2013 6:54:01 GMT -1
Oz, Roly's OECD figures are about were Scotland would be if it was independent, using the best(accurate) figures available, to place Scotland in the list
In some ways its difficult to compare the work ethics of NZ, OZ and Canada with Scotland or Scandinavia - you guys are "new" countries were you were able to start afresh and forge your own path
Here in Europe we're stuck with adapting what we have
It will take an independent Scotland some time to get to where it wants to be as a self-sufficient country standing on its own two feet - it won't be overnight and hard lessons will be learned along the way
But at least we know, if we fuck-up, it's down to us to get it sorted and move on
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Post by ozneil on Mar 20, 2013 7:37:06 GMT -1
Yes I remember the consternation when UK dropped NZ, bit of a panic and then it was as though they collectively said "fuckem" rolled up their sleeves and got weaving obtaining new markets. They have been very successful and it has drawn our 2 countries even closer together.
When I went to UK I was appalled by the them and us attitude between workers and management. It went both ways! They didnt seem to realise they swam or sank together. It was same when I was back in 80s. Im sure its better now.
I remember a few years ago a Union official been run off a site by the workers. He couldnt even get into his car some bright spark had poured 2 cu yd of concrete into it and all over it. That was an inter-union spat
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Post by bormes on Mar 20, 2013 10:12:32 GMT -1
Most of Oz's comments I agree with, however, the worker and boss attitude in large companies and mega large companies is like we had in the dark ages, full of snobbery unfortunately.
What nota says is to me one of the biggest reasons for us returning to run our OWN country, we sink or swim on our own ability, no longer being fed shit and kept in the dark like mushrooms, listening to the crap put out by Westminster on how if not for them, who look after us like a child, we would not survive, the patronising pricks.
I note we have had no answer AGAIN from those who want to keep England as the boss of the UK in explaining why we should nor a word about Eire.
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Post by ozneil on Mar 20, 2013 20:53:27 GMT -1
You are certainly living in interesting and exciting times.
Unfortunately we dont hear much about it here though I do get it from you and friends in UK.
One, a retired lawyer, doesnt thinks it will happen due to apathy but hes a cynical bastard at the best of times. He thinks it would be dreadful if it failed for lack of interest.
As I said I know next to nothing about it I hope you can stir enough fervour to prove him wrong
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Post by bormes on Mar 21, 2013 7:03:46 GMT -1
Lot of apathy, encouraged by Westmonster,
Labour encouraged so many people to work for the public sector and to stay on handouts, 3 and 4 generations of them now, that is also a help to those who wish to stay a part of UK.
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Post by ozneil on Mar 21, 2013 19:41:37 GMT -1
How does your referendum work?
Ours have to have over 50% of all the voters not just those that vote and over 50% in every state for them to be carried
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 19:45:24 GMT -1
Oz, Roly's OECD figures are about were Scotland would be if it was independent, using the best(accurate) figures available, to place Scotland in the list In some ways its difficult to compare the work ethics of NZ, OZ and Canada with Scotland or Scandinavia - you guys are "new" countries were you were able to start afresh and forge your own path Here in Europe we're stuck with adapting what we have It will take an independent Scotland some time to get to where it wants to be as a self-sufficient country standing on its own two feet - it won't be overnight and hard lessons will be learned along the way But at least we know, if we fuck-up, it's down to us to get it sorted and move on Well put, Nota. ;D I for one am sick to death of the 'blame' culture. And of repeatedly getting governments Scotland hasn't voted for. If we want this thing, independence, and I think we do, then you are SO RIGHT in saying it won't be a bed of roses. It's going to take probably the rest of MY lifetime to sort out the issues and really put down solid foundations. BUT and here's the rub. I know we Scots are capable of it. We are clever, we are resilient, we are outgoing and we know we can face the challenges of the global economy. Most of all, we have a fair minded outlook. We all want thriving companies, a sense of entrepreneurship, a team mentality. We want to make everyone's lives just a wee bit better, a wee bit more secure--rather than relying on someone else to do (or fail to do) it for us. We're prepared to work for everything we have and to treat the vulnerable with true compassion. September 18th 2014. Bring it on. |
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Post by bormes on Mar 22, 2013 10:51:44 GMT -1
Well said kid !!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2013 18:59:55 GMT -1
How does your referendum work? Ours have to have over 50% of all the voters not just those that vote and over 50% in every state for them to be carried It's a single question referendum, Oz. 'Should Scotland be an independent country?' Yes or no. Majority of votes cast has it. The worst result would of course be 33% Yes, 33% No, with 34% not voting. Ain't going to happen though, I predict that the vast majority of Scots will vote on this, probably THE most important referendum we have ever held. |
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Post by bormes on Mar 23, 2013 14:45:17 GMT -1
One of the questions I would like Scots labour supporters to answer, do they still want rid of trident? Most of them used to say they did, well if they vote to run our own country again, they WILL get rid of trident !!!L
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 18:10:18 GMT -1
The Labour contingent in the YES Campaign want rid of Trident, I beileve, Bormes. ;D You'd hope their Scottish voters will agree! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 18:28:05 GMT -1
Norway and Scotland both discovered significant oil fields off their coasts in the 70s.
Norway established an oil fund by setting aside a percentage of taxes from the companies who mined and distributed it.
Fast forward to 2013: Norway's fund now stands at 470 BILLION.
Scotland has food-banks.
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Post by bormes on Oct 15, 2013 19:53:08 GMT -1
What a wonderful example Lassie. WELL said.
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Post by ozneil on Oct 15, 2013 21:55:30 GMT -1
we have a "Futures Fund" which Labour tried to borrow against to try and cover up their economic bungling.
It is funded by minerals royalties.
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