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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 18:41:09 GMT -1
So as of today, an end to universal child benefit. Why do I fear that this is just the beginning of the dismantling of the welfare state by this hideous, vindictive government?  The self same government that's about to slash huge earners' tax from 50% to 45%. (For non UKE residents; up until today, child benefit of £20 pw for the first child and £18 for subsequent ones up to age 18 was paid to the mother of the children to use it for their benefit. It wasn't means-tested) Now though, if a wage earner in a family brings in £50K+ pre-tax (which is hardly a huge family income specially if you live down south) benefit is withdrawn. This will apply to single parents who go out to work to support their kid(s) too  The anomaly is that two parents earning £49K each retain their benefit. So it's inherently deeply unfair. It's reported this will save £3 billion quid on welfare payments. I ask myself how better we might find that amount of money--and more? From cutting back on Trident nuclear weapons, maybe? From ensuring global companies pay tax in the UKE, maybe? <biding our time...>  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 20:51:59 GMT -1
Should probably add that this move to curtail child benefit will also act as a disincentive to many parents to work ever harder--- and I totally get why. 20 years back,when the wean was tiny wee (age 1-5) I worked just the 3 days a week and after paying tax and nursery fees was left with a couple of hundred a month towards household bills. It seemed sane and reasonable-- at the time-- to use my taxpayer-funded education to contribute whatever I could. But without the £1000 pa in child benefit there'd have been no sense in it and I'd have stayed home instead--- as many decent parents will be tempted to do as of today.  What a waste. So.. the economy benefitted from the tax I paid on my earnings and it helped keep nursery workers in jobs. But looking back? If I'm honest, I wish I hadn't bothered. All our hard-earned wages have been used to bail out the banks. I WANT MY MONEY BACK, WITH INTEREST! Most of all though I want AWAY from these hideous Tory bastards who blithely give it Press Release for giving back their child benefit while their children have multi-millions in trust funds.
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Post by notanimby on Jan 7, 2013 21:16:21 GMT -1
Of course it's an attack on universal benefits. They are having a go at everything , the disabled, the sick and now this.
It's what the Tories do, now eagerly helped by the fuckers in the the LIE-DUMBS. not only that, the LIEBOOR SCUM party are in on this too
Fukkers like johann lament want a good doing over this, they want to cut stuff too, it's a race to the bottom for these fukkers as they pander for a bigger slice of the conservative vote.
Lament and her fellow fukwits just do as her London bosses tell her, it's no different from the guards at concentration camps doing as they were tellt, on the promise of getting yer snout further into the trough, especially at Westminster - just look at that evil witch curran, she was quick enough off to London.
Sometimes ah jist wish all the imbecilic fukwits who vote LIEBOOR SCUM jet what they deserve, he'll slap it intake them fur being so fucking stupid
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Post by ozneil on Jan 7, 2013 23:46:56 GMT -1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 0:11:55 GMT -1
Not like you to be so silent, Oz...  Out with it! Go 'an, you know you want to...... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 0:23:01 GMT -1
Of course it's an attack on universal benefits. They are having a go at everything , the disabled, the sick and now this. It's what the Tories do, now eagerly helped by the fuckers in the the LIE-DUMBS. not only that, the LIEBOOR SCUM party are in on this too Fukkers like johann lament want a good doing over this, they want to cut stuff too, it's a race to the bottom for these fukkers as they pander for a bigger slice of the conservative vote. Lament and her fellow fukwits just do as her London bosses tell her, it's no different from the guards at concentration camps doing as they were tellt, on the promise of getting yer snout further into the trough, especially at Westminster - just look at that evil witch curran, she was quick enough off to London. Sometimes ah jist wish all the imbecilic fukwits who vote LIEBOOR SCUM jet what they deserve, he'll slap it intake them fur being so fucking stupid It's a race to the bottom indeed, Nota. And Johann Lamont will feel the wrath of the Scottish people soon enough. She's just too darned dumb to realise it. Now NOBODY in their right mind endorses benefit fraud but it's MINIMAL in the big picture--- FFS a bitta proportion here wouldn't go amiss. These amoebae masquerading as human beings think they have us fooled. <hollow laugh> Fecking entitled, superior Tory bastards are paying ATOS to take sick and disabled folks off benefits and are mounting a mega campaign via rags like the Daily Fail to set people against each other. All the more to deflect what's REALLY going on with their agenda. Like we're stupid. <biding our time> |
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Post by ozneil on Jan 8, 2013 0:27:45 GMT -1
Not like you to be so silent, Oz... Out with it! Go 'an, you know you want to...... No, not my Country and none of my business. |
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Post by notanimby on Jan 8, 2013 4:34:52 GMT -1
Of course it's an attack on universal benefits. They are having a go at everything , the disabled, the sick and now this. It's what the Tories do, now eagerly helped by the fuckers in the the LIE-DUMBS. not only that, the LIEBOOR SCUM party are in on this too Fukkers like johann lament want a good doing over this, they want to cut stuff too, it's a race to the bottom for these fukkers as they pander for a bigger slice of the conservative vote. Lament and her fellow fukwits just do as her London bosses tell her, it's no different from the guards at concentration camps doing as they were tellt, on the promise of getting yer snout further into the trough, especially at Westminster - just look at that evil witch curran, she was quick enough off to London. Sometimes ah jist wish all the imbecilic fukwits who vote LIEBOOR SCUM jet what they deserve, he'll slap it intake them fur being so fucking stupid It's a race to the bottom indeed, Nota. And Johann Lamont will feel the wrath of the Scottish people soon enough. She's just too darned dumb to realise it. Now NOBODY in their right mind endorses benefit fraud but it's MINIMAL in the big picture--- FFS a bitta proportion here wouldn't go amiss. These amoebae masquerading as human beings think they have us fooled. <hollow laugh> Fecking entitled, superior Tory bastards are paying ATOS to take sick and disabled folks off benefits and are mounting a mega campaign via rags like the Daily Fail to set people against each other. All the more to deflect what's REALLY going on with their agenda. Like we're stupid. <biding our time> People should never forget that it was the LIEBOOR SCUM party who brought Atos in, in the first place. All the Tories have done is extend the length of their contract |
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Post by bormes on Jan 8, 2013 8:46:27 GMT -1
There are far too many people claiming benefits illegally, particularly disabled and that annoys me.
However, just one of the huge companies who are arse licked by bliar and now cameron pay less tax than all the benefit fraud together. Personally I am against ALL fraud, we were bullied into on line banking, getting rid of cheque books and using credit cards instead, was supposed to make banking safer. Instead there is billions lost in fraud using cards and on line banking. Credit card fraud is HUGE business.
Why not have a higher minimum wage and save all the extra work in giving out benefits? That just means more workers in the Govt sector, more non producers, more paper work, nuts.
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Post by notanimby on Jan 8, 2013 17:37:52 GMT -1
There are far too many people claiming benefits illegally, particularly disabled and that annoys me. However, just one of the huge companies who are arse licked by bliar and now cameron pay less tax than all the benefit fraud together. Personally I am against ALL fraud, we were bullied into on line banking, getting rid of cheque books and using credit cards instead, was supposed to make banking safer. Instead there is billions lost in fraud using cards and on line banking. Credit card fraud is HUGE business. Why not have a higher minimum wage and save all the extra work in giving out benefits? That just means more workers in the Govt sector, more non producers, more paper work, nuts. Indeed tax credits are handed out because wages are to low -why should us, the taxpayer, be subsidising employers who don't want to pay a decent wage Being a low wage economy does no on e any good, it only allows shite jobs to be the norm |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 18:53:07 GMT -1
You're both absolutely right! Huge numbers of working people are in receipt of top-up benefits because wages are so low. But it's a false economy, as Bormes says. The costs of administering it comes out of tax payers' pockets. And I believe we need to give people their dignity back. Because the minimum wage for an adult in this country is £6 an hour, FFS!. And having had our manufacturing industries systematically a) destroyed or b) outsourced to make bigger profits, we have a low-pay service-industry culture at the very broad beam of this particular triangle. Now I for one will have no objection if it's necessary to shell out a few more pence in the pound in tax when we're independent, because the money will be ring-fenced towards fair and just investment in education/health/welfare; not nuclear weapons or subsidising England, Ireland or Wales. We're bucking the trend in Scotland already ;D New oilfields are coming online, the seafood and whisky industries are outperforming themselves year on year, we have some of the best scientific research in the world-- and our tourist industry's set to boom in the next couple of years. Plus our arts sector is doing well globally, meaning more income for artists and the arts support industry--so, again, more tax to the central coffers. I feel pretty sorry for the English people, actually. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place and will never shake off the shackles of Tory v Labour. UKIP have very little support in Scotland; that's because 1) we're canny enough to know our markets, that we need European trading agreements and 2) we're canny enough to know Nigel Farage is a feckin nutjob. I want to live in a country where people get a great education because of their ability to learn (and apply that learning usefully) not not their ability to pay.
A country where it's the norm to work and to contribute. Where those who get out of bed, year in, year out, feel rewarded and supported, not penalised.
A country that willingly takes care of our genuinely sick or disabled people, keeps our elderly warm and fed, and invests in all our children.
We Can Do This. And it starts with the grassroots; a whole series of conversations happening all over Scotland with our family, friends, colleagues--even those that don't think 'politics' applies to their lives. <steps off soapbox--- for now ) |
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Post by ozneil on Jan 9, 2013 2:58:19 GMT -1
I want to live in a country where people get a great education because of their ability to learn (and apply that learning usefully) not not their ability to pay.
A country where it's the norm to work and to contribute. Where those who get out of bed, year in, year out, feel rewarded and supported, not penalised.
A country that willingly takes care of our genuinely sick or disabled people, keeps our elderly warm and fed, and invests in all our children.
why not you can !!! you will be very welcome here < runs for door FASSSSSSST> |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 18:04:44 GMT -1
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Thanks Oz, but I'm not about to take the easy way out when we Scots have the biggest opportunity in 300 years to claim back our independence So I'm staying put and working towards making Scotland the country we all want it to be. Here's Blair Jenkins, CEO of the Yes Campaign, this morning; www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwQsIZUSCWYAnd Westie, Nota, Bormes; if you've signed the Yes declaration already you're cordially invited to a 'do' in Glasgow next Wednesday evening to join with several hundred like-minded people at the Yes Campaign Glasgow launch. If you're interested, let me know and I'll send you the invite link. Yours for Scotland, ps just a reminder that the Yes Campaign is cross-party and no-party. There's no requirement for political affiliation, just a desire to see Scotland independent. |
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Post by ozneil on Jan 9, 2013 19:15:52 GMT -1
Good for you !!
We are still getting about 200 migrants a week from the UK
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Post by notanimby on Jan 9, 2013 19:24:05 GMT -1
Good for you !! We are still getting about 200 migrants a week from the UK Jings really, is that made up of families and individuals? |
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The anomaly is that two parents earning £49K each retain their benefit. So it's inherently deeply unfair.
