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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 18:30:41 GMT -1
And so it begins; www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-11492297Is there really any solid evidence that bringing these type of events to Scotland actually makes a long term contribution to our local finances? Did it happen after the Games in Edinburgh all those years back? Anyone know? Do these ' initiatives' REALLY regenerate urban areas into shiny new ghettos where ordinary folks can actually afford to live? Or does it simply replace one problem with another? An acquaintance of mine is designing the new Velodrome in the east end. Idea is that local kids and other large cycling type events will be encouraged to use it in droves after the Games. Well pardon me, but couldn't GCC just have redeveloped the Kelvin Hall instead of this expensive newbuild? What are the pros of having the Games here, anyone?
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Post by ozneil on Oct 7, 2010 18:39:16 GMT -1
If you play it right you will have an influx of tourists for a few years afterwards. It is a chance to show off Glasgow.
Here they made sure the events like the marathon went through the most scenic parts of Sydney. Even then the tourism wasnt as much as the Government had predicted
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 18:50:55 GMT -1
If you play it right you will have an influx of tourists for a few years afterwards. It is a chance to show off Glasgow. Sure, Oz. But we're still reeling from the effects of the very expensive tax-payer funded Homecoming exercise last year and it's fairly clear the expected numbers did NOT arrive in droves for that. I'm just querying what long term benefit's to be had and whether the projections are grounded in any kind of reality. Sure, there will be a buck or three to be made while the event's on (and mine and my partner's will benefit temporarily) but local businesses can't rely on publically funded blips.
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Post by hollowhorn on Oct 7, 2010 20:00:14 GMT -1
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Post by ozneil on Oct 7, 2010 20:29:43 GMT -1
If you play it right you will have an influx of tourists for a few years afterwards. It is a chance to show off Glasgow. Sure, Oz. But we're still reeling from the effects of the very expensive tax-payer funded Homecoming exercise last year and it's fairly clear the expected numbers did NOT arrive in droves for that. I'm just querying what long term benefit's to be had and whether the projections are grounded in any kind of reality. Sure, there will be a buck or three to be made while the event's on (and mine and my partner's will benefit temporarily) but local businesses can't rely on publically funded blips. The homecoming was hardly mentioned here yet according to the last census we have 2,165,000 people who claim Scottish ancestory. I think the Commonwealth games will be a bit different. Much more interest world wide in sports than in watching guys chucking telegraph poles around and prancing round in kilts. Our last big non-sporting shindig (when the guy who wears nighties & a funny hat came) was a bit of a fizzer no where near the number of people expected actually arrived. Glasgow still has a bad reputation & you must work very very hard to change that. I know even now when Mrs is asked where she comes from and says Glasgow a lot of people go
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 21:01:36 GMT -1
The homecoming was hardly mentioned here yet according to the last census we have 2,165,000 people who claim Scottish ancestory. I think the Commonwealth games will be a bit different. Much more interest world wide in sports than in watching guys chucking telegraph poles around and prancing round in kilts. I know even now when Mrs is asked where she comes from and says Glasgow a lot of people go Yeah, good point, Oz. But the turnout for the current Games in Delhi looks to be well down on expectation as well, mind you it's only a few days in so that might change. Undeniably beautiful as Scotland is, you wonder if the sheer expense of being here in the UKE puts people off as well as the 'reputation' that's obviously still alive and kicking With the exception of Scandinavia, it's probably one of the most expensive countries in the world to visit.
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Post by westender on Oct 7, 2010 21:25:46 GMT -1
Delhi has been a complete disaster so far. The buildings are unclean, (I strongly suspect they're also not safe), the stadiums are really embarrassingly empty, the organisers are in cloud cuckoo land... and now half the participants have come down with Delhi belly. The tv audience has been far from what was hoped for as well; the Telegraph puts it succinctly enough: www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/commonwealthgames/8044248/Commonwealth-Games-2010-organisers-on-mission-to-fill-empty-stadiums.html"...Sunday's opening ceremony, broadcast at a favourable time, attracted a peak audience of 3.6 million viewers on the BBC, but ratings have bounced between 4.1 per cent and 17.3 per cent of the audience, against an average for the 2006 Melbourne Games of 15.8 per cent. In Australia and Canada too the early ratings are well down. The broadcasters' first aim is to make the stadiums look as busy as possible. The instructions have already gone out to camera operators to shoot tight to disguise the lack of spectators. " I think the games in Glasgow won't go much better, simply because Glasgow is not interested enough, nowhere near, in any sport other than football. And nobody responsible for Glasgow ever, ever does anything to the east end other than shaft it. I also think the Olympics in London will be a fiasco as well, and the only one who will emerge from said fiasco, somehow or other still smelling of roses, will be Boris. London these days cannae organise a pissup in a brewery. (...look at the mingin'nium, and they had 2000 years to prepare for that)
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Post by westender on Oct 7, 2010 21:30:10 GMT -1
A report says "Lord" Coe is talking pish when it comes to the projected numbers of foreign visitors/tourists to London for the Olympics: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00tzn5x/You_and_Yours_01_10_2010/Everything today is so hype, hype, hyped. All style and no substance - and no proper organisational nous behind any of it. The Homecoming a regrettable case in point. It was a bloody great idea.
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Post by ozneil on Oct 7, 2010 23:12:05 GMT -1
We thought our Olympics would be a disaster too..... Too far away for spectators to come .... times wrong for TV viewers in US and Europe etc etc.
IT was a great success we all, us lot and the visitors, had a ball.
Dont be so down hearted. You have a lot going for you both in Commonwealth Games and the Olympics . You are close to centres of population and your time zones arent bad either for TV.
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Post by pianopete on Oct 8, 2010 10:44:40 GMT -1
It's a fair point, Rolo, (gosh, it's been years - I'm coming over all sentimental). I've always thought the main benefit of these things was a general improvement of the infrastructure around the event. Not so much the stadia and venues as transport and suchlike.
Which is probably why they cancelled the airport rail link.
However, I've known for years that our politicians couldn't toss a caber..
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Post by notanimby on Oct 8, 2010 14:57:58 GMT -1
It's a fair point, Rolo, (gosh, it's been years - I'm coming over all sentimental). I've always thought the main benefit of these things was a general improvement of the infrastructure around the event. Not so much the stadia and venues as transport and suchlike. Which is probably why they cancelled the airport rail link. However, I've known for years that our politicians couldn't toss a caber..[/quote] Here wiz me thinkin the ywere all tossers too(except auntie annabel of course)
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Post by bormes on Oct 8, 2010 15:51:52 GMT -1
Years ago when Edinburugh had the games I think it was eventually, OK. However did Bob, bob,bob, Maxwell not have to save them ? His pay back was he did not have to pay VAT.
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Post by ozneil on Oct 8, 2010 21:45:20 GMT -1
Look on nthe bright side for the Commonwealth Games think of all the medals you can watch us win ;D
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Post by ozneil on Oct 9, 2010 20:45:53 GMT -1
Hells teeth I cant even find out from Scottish papers who won Scotland's second gold medal or what for.
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Post by heidie on Oct 11, 2010 0:32:53 GMT -1
The only ones who will benefit is the developers and aw ra hingers oan...considerin the munt it will aw cost they wid be better jist firin it aw inty real benefits like hooses/ hospitals etc..and stoap kiddin thumsels oan...Ah bet thers even enuff left in ra kitty tae gie aw ra athletes a gold medal no tae bother ther arses an jist send thum it thru ra poast!
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