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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 18:50:21 GMT -1
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Post by notanimby on Aug 28, 2013 18:57:43 GMT -1
So different from arch-liar and war criminal Bliar, who said that Syria should be attacked toot sweet.
He obviously hasn't seen the irony in that with his job title of Middle East peace envoy.
Easy for that prick to say, when he, his social climbing wife and his obnoxious weans will be no where near any attack. Although I'm sure they wouldn't be missed if they were.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 19:51:36 GMT -1
And yet again, you have to ask precisely WHO IT IS that's supplying Syria with chemical weapons Not for the first time, I'm glad I don't have a pension because it's likely such funds would be invested in those armaments companies who make their money from making it easy to kill ordinary people David Cameron announced just now that the Westminster government, which is being recalled from recess on Thursday, will have to vote on proposed action once this week, and again after the results of the UN Weapons inspectors early next week. It's surely essential that our MP's MUST be allowed to vote on their own analysis of the evidence for and against a military strike, and NOT, just for once, on party political allegiances. I suspect if the British public were allowed to vote, the overwhelming response would be against military action--- with just a few gung-ho colonialists still believing Empire is all and Johnny Foreigner needs bombed to b*ggery. We are better than the scumbag dictators. They need reigned in, sure, but not this way. We must not sink to their level and risk what's so coldly referred to as 'collateral damage'. Already in Syria, as reported just now, people are moving away, with all their worldly goods, from areas around military installations. They're already terrified of their own government--but the West's threats of firepower must be even more terrifying. I'll be watching how my MP votes--and every other MP in Scotland.
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Post by bormes on Aug 28, 2013 21:46:04 GMT -1
My view frankly is one side is backed by Hamas and the other side by al Qaeda now to me they are both shit. Sadly the ordinary Sunni and ordinary Shiite will be dragged in to taking sides against each other while companies like we have over here whose initials we must not speak make millions supplying the goods to fight with. It is their fight let them do as they will and we can offer aid after they stop and advice at any time but we should NOT intervene. W should ONLY use force for defence or for very close allies being attacked, otherwise aid program is what I would like Scotland to be involved with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 23:20:01 GMT -1
My view frankly is one side is backed by Hamas and the other side by al Qaeda now to me they are both shit. Sadly the ordinary Sunni and ordinary Shiite will be dragged in to taking sides against each other while companies like we have over here whose initials we must not speak make millions supplying the goods to fight with. It is their fight let them do as they will and we can offer aid after they stop and advice at any time but we should NOT intervene. W should ONLY use force for defence or for very close allies being attacked, otherwise aid program is what I would like Scotland to be involved with. Exactly. Anyone wishing to register their protest against the very real prospect of unilateral military strikes by Westminster and Washington governments, you can make your views known by joining thousands of other like-minded Scots at 12 noon, Saturday 31 August at the Donald Dewar statue, top of Buchanan St, Glasgow.
Similar protests are being held all over the UK this weekend.
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Post by bormes on Aug 29, 2013 7:07:28 GMT -1
Will be in France, my thoughts with you Rolo, although D.D. Was a lackey to the great Bliar he would have joined the party line!!
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Post by notanimby on Aug 29, 2013 19:01:15 GMT -1
Do you think Cameron and Obama see any irony in being allied with al Qaeda against the Syrian regime.
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Post by ozneil on Aug 29, 2013 20:18:32 GMT -1
Do you think Cameron and Obama see any irony in being allied with al Qaeda against the Syrian regime. Yeah thats why they are back tracking. Perhaps they should just invade South Georgia just to be on safe side
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 0:20:50 GMT -1
Will be in France, my thoughts with you Rolo, although D.D. Was a lackey to the great Bliar he would have joined the party line!! Beg to differ, Bormes. Donald Dewar was the architect of devolution, but for him we wouldn't have had a Scottish Parliament. The first step to Independence. I think he'd have despaired of what's become of the Labour Party, had he lived to see the current omnishambles. Anyways, wee story I can't resist telling youse: Donald lived a few doors down from chez Rolo. One day, me and the wean, who would've been about 7 at the time, and well used to her mother watching politics on telly, were walking down Cleveden Hill and as we passed his gate, he came striding out. Wean goes (loudly): "Look, Mummy, it's Tony Blair!" I was mortified, but all the while trying to stifle a big loud chortle. Give him his due, DD stopped in his tracks, gazed at me and wean through those big bottletop glasses of his, and had a fit of the giggles. A rare sight to behold.
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Post by notanimby on Aug 30, 2013 5:53:37 GMT -1
Will be in France, my thoughts with you Rolo, although D.D. Was a lackey to the great Bliar he would have joined the party line!! Beg to differ, Bormes. Donald Dewar was the architect of devolution, but for him we wouldn't have had a Scottish Parliament. The first step to Independence. I think he'd have despaired of what's become of the Labour Party, had he lived to see the current omnishambles. Anyways, wee story I can't resist telling youse: Donald lived a few doors down from chez Rolo. One day, me and the wean, who would've been about 7 at the time, and well used to her mother watching politics on telly, were walking down Cleveden Hill and as we passed his gate, he came striding out. Wean goes (loudly): "Look, Mummy, it's Tony Blair!" I was mortified, but all the while trying to stifle a big loud chortle. Give him his due, DD stopped in his tracks, gazed at me and wean through those big bottletop glasses of his, and had a fit of the giggles. A rare sight to behold. Ach, think yerself lucky, she never said look its horace frae ra broons or the laddie that dennis the menace used tae bully
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Post by bormes on Aug 30, 2013 6:05:46 GMT -1
Although DD has the media acknowledgement of being the architect, I think he was part of it, John Smith long before DD was instigating for it, as was J.Reid. I knew DD and his election agent very well for years. His very, very expensive paintings still adorn the walls of a very, very expensive solicitors offices in a very prestigious building in the city centre. DD in my opinion did thoroughly like the idea of a Scottish Parliament and so did many others and he particularly liked the idea of being head of it. It was also because he would have done as he was told by labour that they backed him. Make no mistake neither he nor anyone would have had the position nor would they have backed a Scottish Parliament if they had not thought it was the best way to sidetrack the movement started by the PEOPLE so Scotland for change, they made a mistake as instead of becoming a myriad of self indulgence and being set up in a way they were certain of, no SNP Party could ever have come to power. Wow did that backfire!! Personally I liked DD even though it was a NIGHTMARE to get him to buy HIS ROUND. He was till his death a labour man and unfortunately a Bliar supporter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 1:11:44 GMT -1
Although DD has the media acknowledgement of being the architect, I think he was part of it, John Smith long before DD was instigating for it, as was J.Reid. I knew DD and his election agent very well for years. His very, very expensive paintings still adorn the walls of a very, very expensive solicitors offices in a very prestigious building in the city centre. DD in my opinion did thoroughly like the idea of a Scottish Parliament and so did many others and he particularly liked the idea of being head of it. It was also because he would have done as he was told by labour that they backed him. Make no mistake neither he nor anyone would have had the position nor would they have backed a Scottish Parliament if they had not thought it was the best way to sidetrack the movement started by the PEOPLE so Scotland for change, they made a mistake as instead of becoming a myriad of self indulgence and being set up in a way they were certain of, no SNP Party could ever have come to power. Wow did that backfire!! Personally I liked DD even though it was a NIGHTMARE to get him to buy HIS ROUND. He was till his death a labour man and unfortunately a Bliar supporter. Fair comment, Bormes, yes DD got a lot of the credit and rightly so but as you say, John Smith before him was the prime mover and but for his untimely death, perhaps things would have turned out better. I think Scottish politics died a death along with John Smith who I admired along with so many thousands of others. As for John Reid, nah. Not my cup of tea at all. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him, which isn't very far at all. Maybe yes, Labour did think themselves invincible in the face of the SNP but wrong again. As for DD, I often wonder if he wouldn't have had the same sense of utter disappointment in what Bliar became. I think he would've. Btw, this thing about Lab politicians having homes and possessions.....many of them are professionals with a previous career in law, medicine, industry etc, shirley it doesn't mean when they nail their colours to a broadly socialist mindset they need to give sell up, donate the proceeds to the state and take a rented social housing place, thereby denying it to someone more in need? DD inherited his home near me from his late parents and lived there till he died. He'd invested in another conversion nearby which was rented out: after he died it was put up for sale. And was bought by a then journalist who is now a prominent SNP MSP. I kinda like that karma.
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Post by notanimby on Sept 1, 2013 6:54:12 GMT -1
Although DD has the media acknowledgement of being the architect, I think he was part of it, John Smith long before DD was instigating for it, as was J.Reid. I knew DD and his election agent very well for years. His very, very expensive paintings still adorn the walls of a very, very expensive solicitors offices in a very prestigious building in the city centre. DD in my opinion did thoroughly like the idea of a Scottish Parliament and so did many others and he particularly liked the idea of being head of it. It was also because he would have done as he was told by labour that they backed him. Make no mistake neither he nor anyone would have had the position nor would they have backed a Scottish Parliament if they had not thought it was the best way to sidetrack the movement started by the PEOPLE so Scotland for change, they made a mistake as instead of becoming a myriad of self indulgence and being set up in a way they were certain of, no SNP Party could ever have come to power. Wow did that backfire!! Personally I liked DD even though it was a NIGHTMARE to get him to buy HIS ROUND. He was till his death a labour man and unfortunately a Bliar supporter. Fair comment, Bormes, yes DD got a lot of the credit and rightly so but as you say, John Smith before him was the prime mover and but for his untimely death, perhaps things would have turned out better. I think Scottish politics died a death along with John Smith who I admired along with so many thousands of others. As for John Reid, nah. Not my cup of tea at all. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him, which isn't very far at all. Maybe yes, Labour did think themselves invincible in the face of the SNP but wrong again. As for DD, I often wonder if he wouldn't have had the same sense of utter disappointment in what Bliar became. I think he would've. Btw, this thing about Lab politicians having homes and possessions.....many of them are professionals with a previous career in law, medicine, industry etc, shirley it doesn't mean when they nail their colours to a broadly socialist mindset they need to give sell up, donate the proceeds to the state and take a rented social housing place, thereby denying it to someone more in need? DD inherited his home near me from his late parents and lived there till he died. He'd invested in another conversion nearby which was rented out: after he died it was put up for sale. And was bought by a then journalist who is now a prominent SNP MSP. I kinda like that karma. Ah "doctor" john reid - funny how his thesus has never been published.................. As to being a socialist and being loaded or well endowed in possesions - they arent mutually exclusive BUT its how you gained them thats the issue Were they gained by sheer hard work or were they gained off the backs of others or by being born to wealthy parents You've inadvertently hit on the stick used to beat socialism - all the pish about everyone should be skint and possess nothing or everyone should earn the same - complete and utter tosh socialism is about people contributing to society as much as they can do and that society looking after those who cant But then again, one would be hard pushed to spot a socialist in the LIEBOOR-SCUM party these days - dennis skinner being the only one
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 23:49:49 GMT -1
Ah "doctor" john reid - funny how his thesus has never been published.................. As to being a socialist and being loaded or well endowed in possesions - they arent mutually exclusive BUT its how you gained them thats the issue Were they gained by sheer hard work or were they gained off the backs of others or by being born to wealthy parents You've inadvertently hit on the stick used to beat socialism - all the pish about everyone should be skint and possess nothing or everyone should earn the same - complete and utter tosh socialism is about people contributing to society as much as they can do and that society looking after those who cant But then again, one would be hard pushed to spot a socialist in the LIEBOOR-SCUM party these days - dennis skinner being the only one I really struggle with the seemingly common viewpoint that in order to be hold genuinely socialist views you have to be skint. To me that's a race to the bottom. We need to generate wealth, we need to be ambitious and grow our economy to provide jobs and income for all, we need nobody to be living in abject poverty in the 21st century Scotland. But how we treat those who're genuinely unable to contribute financially is, IMV, how a society should be measured. Flaunting ostentatious wealth is something else entirely. Only a tory MP could have the brass neck to claim expenses for a duck-house or the cleaning of his moat......FFS!
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Post by bormes on Sept 2, 2013 11:40:13 GMT -1
I have never suggested the old idea of being skint to be labour, nota hit the nail DIRECTLY on the head it is HOW they got their wealth!! I was not meaning the wee scumbag Dr John Reid it was the other Reid I meant!! Cooke and Canavan were quite social minded I thought?
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