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Post by ozneil on Nov 20, 2015 21:29:13 GMT -1
France never bombed Iraq. They refused to go in. THEY tried to stop the Lybian carry on. They have the biggest group of muslims in Europe. There is not a colour problem at all. We naturally report our own problems first, normal, these countries do the same. Islamic people do not integrate. Islamic people are being silent. ANYONE muslim or not who, Wants to kill you for being gay, Wants to kill you for being apostate. Wants to kill you for drawing a Cartoon. Wants to kill you for adultry, now if THAT was to happen in Glasgow, there would not be a soul in any Disco in the whole of Scotland FFS. Now, almost everyone who is a muslim who has arrived in the Uk during bliars open door policy for cheap labour for his multi national pals, DOES sympathise with these extremists, they have lived all their lives in a country with these laws and think it is normal, only when they arrive here do they realise there IS a different possibility, yet the MAJORITY STILL think like they used to, they believe the shite these bitter twisted imams who preach hate about our western culture and way of life. I do not care if a young Lassie wears short skirts, in fact it is lovely, they can wear make up and drink too, regarding Lads, they might get pissed, yes I have too, none of these things is worth being beaten for yet the religious police in these countries would beat you for that and much less. Therefore befor we criticise ordinary people with questions and worries, think about that. On a final note, POLICE SCOTLAND IS NOT FIT NOR ABLE TO STOP A SERIOUS TERRORIST ATTACK. NOR ARE OUR FORCES nonsense DEPLOYED IN A WAY TO DO SO EITHER. IF THEY ATTACKED RURAL SOFT TARGETS, IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE CURRENTLY TO STOP THEM, On top of that our Police DO NOT have the firepower nor TRAINING to stop trained terrorists. IT IS IRRESPONSIBLE TO THINK A POLICEMAN SHOULD PUT THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE WITHOUT PROPER TRAINING OR EQUIPMENT! I do not care one fuck what colour you are, I do care if you are a murdering scumbag whether you are an ira or muslim one. We can feel sorrow for other countries who have had tragedies, but we do not know them so MATURALLY we care about our own FIRST. Our country will rightly CONTINUE to open our doors to those in danger who deserve it, as we always have done, we ARE decent people, we also give more to charity than anyone else. We must not have the PISS taken out of us by economic migrants and illegal migrants who do HARM to the women and children that we should be helping by stealing their places. If they go to Syria or elsewhere to fight for our enemies then they should NOT be allowed back, EVER. The only good terrorist, Is a dead terrorist. Wow that is quite a post. We find most Arab Muslims do not assimilate though those from other parts (India , Indonesia, Malaya etc) mostly do. You should never have let these numbers in or indeed given up your Sovereignty all for the sake of a quick quid and damn the consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 1:27:08 GMT -1
Wow that is quite a post. We find most Arab Muslims do not assimilate though those from other parts (India , Indonesia, Malaya etc) mostly do. You should never have let these numbers in or indeed given up your Sovereignty all for the sake of a quick quid and damn the consequences. [/quote] That's really something there, Oz. Stirring it as per usual The UKE would have ground to a halt were it not for the graft of immigrant workers from within and outwith the EU. What you and Bormes seem to be ignoring, conveniently, is that if *we* carpet-bomb the flying fuck out of countries (rather than specific targets) at the behest of our paymasters in the US, then there will be displaced people ( commonly referred to as refugees) that we need to take responsibility for. What did we EXPECT to happen to innocent civilians, are they supposed to just to die a death in a ditch? Call me ridiculous if you like but SOMEONE is funding terrorists and it's not just one group,there's multiples going on. its a very complicated historical issue. Should we not be investigating where they're getting money for armaments? Should we not be agitating against the blanket press-coverage that gives them the oxygen of publicity and helps them recruit more misguided souls? Totally utterly out of proportion, the whole thing. Ask yourself why.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 2:09:57 GMT -1
France never bombed Iraq. They refused to go in. THEY tried to stop the Lybian carry on. They have the biggest group of muslims in Europe. There is not a colour problem at all. We naturally report our own problems first, normal, these countries do the same. Islamic people do not integrate. Islamic people are being silent. ANYONE muslim or not who, Wants to kill you for being gay, Wants to kill you for being apostate. Wants to kill you for drawing a Cartoon. Wants to kill you for adultry, now if THAT was to happen in Glasgow, there would not be a soul in any Disco in the whole of Scotland FFS. Now, almost everyone who is a muslim who has arrived in the Uk during bliars open door policy for cheap labour for his multi national pals, DOES sympathise with these extremists, they have lived all their lives in a country with these laws and think it is normal, only when they arrive here do they realise there IS a different possibility, yet the MAJORITY STILL think like they used to, they believe the shite these bitter twisted imams who preach hate about our western culture and way of life. I do not care if a young Lassie wears short skirts, in fact it is lovely, they can wear make up and drink too, regarding Lads, they might get pissed, yes I have too, none of these things is worth being beaten for yet the religious police in these countries would beat you for that and much less. Therefore befor we criticise ordinary people with questions and worries, think about that. On a final note, POLICE SCOTLAND IS NOT FIT NOR ABLE TO STOP A SERIOUS TERRORIST ATTACK. NOR ARE OUR FORCES nonsense DEPLOYED IN A WAY TO DO SO EITHER. IF THEY ATTACKED RURAL SOFT TARGETS, IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE CURRENTLY TO STOP THEM, On top of that our Police DO NOT have the firepower nor TRAINING to stop trained terrorists. IT IS IRRESPONSIBLE TO THINK A POLICEMAN SHOULD PUT THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE WITHOUT PROPER TRAINING OR EQUIPMENT! I do not care one fuck what colour you are, I do care if you are a murdering scumbag whether you are an ira or muslim one. We can feel sorrow for other countries who have had tragedies, but we do not know them so MATURALLY we care about our own FIRST. Our country will rightly CONTINUE to open our doors to those in danger who deserve it, as we always have done, we ARE decent people, we also give more to charity than anyone else. We must not have the PISS taken out of us by economic migrants and illegal migrants who do HARM to the women and children that we should be helping by stealing their places. If they go to Syria or elsewhere to fight for our enemies then they should NOT be allowed back, EVER. The only good terrorist, Is a dead terrorist. Yes, France never bombed Iraq. But in tandem with the US they've been bombing the shit out of Syria for the last month. There is also some commentary that France has been targeted because a few years ago they took the call to ban the burka. It's bloody obvious that these savages are stone age (at best) and nobody but nobody supports them other than other deranged people. But I really think it's unjust to say the majority of Islamic people believe the views of the twisted tiny minority. Let's not fan the flames! Completely agree that UK citizens who go to Syria with a view to *joining up* should be denied entry back in. I do think in the coming days we'll see much more stringent border controls and very likely an end to the open border Schengen agreement. Not a bad idea in the circs. It was a good one before but hey. We've let a few bsdrds dictate that and not all of them are ISIS. Look closer to home.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 2:34:38 GMT -1
You might as well light up buildings with the Stars and Stripes on a daily basis, given that more people die in the US from gun related violence each and every day of the year. The media only report what suits their handlers, we all know this, Nota. Comparatively speaking I have never SEEN such blanket coverage of any event as this atrocity in Paris. The truth is that more people are killed by deliberate violence on a daily basis outwith Europe than within it. That the so called civilise world lights up in the Tricolour is more about the power of so called Western Civilisation, where some lives are regarded as more valuable than others. But that said. A serious line was crossed in Paris last Friday, as I see it. Totally random and indiscriminate violence that killed people of all races and creeds not just * a perceived enemy* as is more usual in civil wars elsewhere. It is just wrong to suggest it's just a media furore about 'white* folks because the toll of victims in Paris completely refutes that. It's about an attack on totally innocent folks going about their life and their work. It's about insane people who have totally and utterly lost their reason, if indeed they had any in the first place. The toll of victims in Paris doesn't refute it, they could have been tartan coloured, but as it was done by perceived furriners the non-whiter the better in the "white" west the detail of who was who means nothing as the media still class the West as white when it suits them The line that was crossed last Friday was that it was in the West, giving the "West"a terrible boot up the erse of a reality check of what life's like elsewhere outside their cosy comfort zone The lives of westerners isn't any more valuable than some poor bugger in Nigeria, Kenya, The Lebanon or anywhere else Maybe some folk will now sit up and take notice that when you bomb the shit outa folk ( whoever or whatever the reasons) then you canna really be shocked they strike back Anyways moving on slightly - anyone spot the irony in the London gathering it support Paris was held in Trafalgar Square? The line that was crossed was the attack on the Bataclan and the (failed) attempt on the Stadt de France. Of course, given the twisted murderous logic of these pathetic inadequates it was only a matter of time till they targeted music and sporting venues. We in the music industry have feared and prepared as far as affordable for the eventuality. If people want to pay 100 times more for their gig tickets to secure every venue in the world every night of the year then fine. But it's a ridiculous cost/benefit analysis, given the statistical risk. So it's not going to happen. With the blanket press coverage and yes, HYSTERIA, we are allowing ourselves to play right into the hands of a few deranged people. I'm sick of hearing (after the fact) that 2000 suspects have been rounded up, all of a sudden, in France, Belgium, wherever. If they're suspects known to the authorities then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT before they have a chance to harm people. Too little, too late. Again, ask yourself why. In whose interests is it to NOT act on intelligence?
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Post by ozneil on Nov 22, 2015 7:13:28 GMT -1
Its not carpet bombing that is merely emotive phrase.
You are right about the $$$ the Feds here have uncovered $mils in illegal transactions to Middle east and we are a small country think of bigger countries.
They get a lot of $$ from oil well they have captured. I see they are now being bombed to stop production and cut off funds. When they start attacking with bows and arrows we will know if it has worked. (dont hold breath)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 19:55:00 GMT -1
Its not carpet bombing that is merely emotive phrase. You are right about the $$$ the Feds here have uncovered $mils in illegal transactions to Middle east and we are a small country think of bigger countries. They get a lot of $$ from oil well they have captured. I see they are now being bombed to stop production and cut off funds. When they start attacking with bows and arrows we will know if it has worked. (dont hold breath) Oz, the Westminster government is straining at the leash to get a Commons vote to carpet bomb Syria. Just for your info..they are using the right wing press to stir up hysteria and turn the case towards an endorsement to kill even more civilians in Raqqa and other parts of that country. There are upwards of 10 different IS-allied terrorist groups (at war with each other, bizarrely) that are being FUNDED and ARMED BY SOMEONE, often Western governments. They don't want that revealed of course.... The truth as I understand it is that IS are being defeated every day of the week over in Syria-mainly by the amazing Kurds. They are on the backfoot over there, hence the new tactic of attacking international targets such as the Russian plane over Egypt, Paris, and now Mali. We should never have interfered in the Middle East, attacking Afghanistan and Iraq. It was NEVER in the name of human rights, never about how they treat women, never about extremist Islamists. It was about OIL. All it has achieved is a steady supply of angry young men who're prepared to kill as indiscriminately as the West has always done, only without the uniforms.
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Just on Bormes' view on Police Scotland's ability to counter any terror attempt, well yes, I imagine he knows what he's talking about.
Do we now need to look at arms training more officers? At present the only patrols that carry guns are in the airports and some train stations. The rapid response armed teams are only brought in when an incidents declared, so maybe too little too late re terrorist modus operandus?
I would HATE it if armed police were more prevalent on our streets, I think a lot of us would-- but at the same time, Bormes is right I think, in that should anything suddenly kick off, you can't fight armed murderers with a baton.
What we need to do is cut off supply of weapons, guns, drones etc to terrorist groups. That would be a start.
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Post by ozneil on Nov 22, 2015 20:15:21 GMT -1
I agree we should never have gone in but should we have let Saddam just take over Kuwait then destroy Israel? He had already used Chemical weapons on the Kurds
Muslims have been attacking Europe since 8th Century, even got as far as Vienna in 15th Century before a gang of Polish tough guys threw them out.
The fact is we are in. Now the question is how do we bring peace about? How do we ensure our own safety? Let monsters like Saddam take power? Should you accept the Islamisation of Europe?
What is the solution?
We all know what we shouldn't do. See some of you pollies want to negoitae with them. Fine Words! but on what basis? There is no common ground! So what are you going to do?
At least for once UN is united
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Post by ozneil on Nov 22, 2015 20:21:12 GMT -1
Just on Bormes' view on Police Scotland's ability to counter any terror attempt, well yes, I imagine he knows what he's talking about. Do we now need to look at arms training more officers? At present the only patrols that carry guns are in the airports and some train stations. The rapid response armed teams are only brought in when an incidents declared, so maybe too little too late re terrorist modus operandus? I would HATE it if armed police were more prevalent on our streets, I think a lot of us would-- but at the same time, Bormes is right I think, in that should anything suddenly kick off, you can't fight armed murderers with a baton. What we need to do is cut off supply of weapons, guns, drones etc to terrorist groups. That would be a start. Our police are armed. Guns are very very seldom used but when they are they are really needed. Such as when cops are attacked by armed offenders. They are only used for their own And the publics safety from imminent danger.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 20:59:09 GMT -1
Just on Bormes' view on Police Scotland's ability to counter any terror attempt, well yes, I imagine he knows what he's talking about. Do we now need to look at arms training more officers? At present the only patrols that carry guns are in the airports and some train stations. The rapid response armed teams are only brought in when an incidents declared, so maybe too little too late re terrorist modus operandus? I would HATE it if armed police were more prevalent on our streets, I think a lot of us would-- but at the same time, Bormes is right I think, in that should anything suddenly kick off, you can't fight armed murderers with a baton. What we need to do is cut off supply of weapons, guns, drones etc to terrorist groups. That would be a start. Our police are armed. Guns are very very seldom used but when they are they are really needed. Such as when cops are attacked by armed offenders. They are only used for their own And the publics safety from imminent danger. Yup. that worked really well when Sydneysiders came under attack, didn't it? The bastrd amoeba terrorists use surprise as their best weapon. It's simple impossible to secure every place in the world and don't they fucking well use that fact.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 21:10:35 GMT -1
I agree we should never have gone in but should we have let Saddam just take over Kuwait then destroy Israel? He had already used Chemical weapons on the Kurds Muslims have been attacking Europe since 8th Century, even got as far as Vienna in 15th Century before a gang of Polish tough guys threw them out. The fact is we are in. Now the question is how do we bring peace about? How do we ensure our own safety? Let monsters like Saddam take power? Should you accept the Islamisation of Europe? What is the solution? We all know what we shouldn't do. See some of you pollies want to negoitae with them. Fine Words! but on what basis? There is no common ground! So what are you going to do? At least for once UN is united And yet again you seem confused, Oz, between Muslims and extremist fundamentalists. Let us also bear in mind that some of the worst mass terrorist attacks anywhere in the world have been perpetrated by other-nutters that have feck all to do with Islam extremism. A fact conveniently lost in the whipping up of anti-Muslim sentiment by the right wing media. Every single devastating airstrike the West (and allies) make kills innocent civilians and only serves to recruit more ISIS volunteers. We are reaping what we've sowed--by continually invading other countries. I mean, who DO we think we are? The world's police, riding roughshod over cultures to rape their resources to benefit multi nationals who evade tax and allow people to be killed and subjected in the name of capitalist values? Oh. Really. UN, btw, were united for about a day and a half this week but now that the Turks have shot down a Russian warplane, that may well change. Rely on nothing other than that some base human beings (and they're usually men) will lead us into the most dangerous times we've seen since 1945--or maybe 1962... Of course you guys over by are safe from all this. Right now I'm only too conscious that 25 miles from where I write is one of the foremost targets on the planet. HELLO.
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Post by ozneil on Nov 25, 2015 4:45:43 GMT -1
Our police are armed. Guns are very very seldom used but when they are they are really needed. Such as when cops are attacked by armed offenders. They are only used for their own And the publics safety from imminent danger. Yup. that worked really well when Sydneysiders came under attack, didn't it? The bastrd amoeba terrorists use surprise as their best weapon. It's simple impossible to secure every place in the world and don't they fucking well use that fact. It would have except the minister insisted, against police advice, that they must negotiate with the terrorist in the best PC manner. Result 2 deaths innocent deaths and the terrorist was still shot The system has now been changed.
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Post by ozneil on Nov 25, 2015 4:50:36 GMT -1
Let us also bear in mind that some of the worst mass terrorist attacks anywhere in the world have been perpetrated by other-nutters that have feck all to do with Islam extremism. A fact conveniently lost in the whipping up of anti-Muslim sentiment by the right wing media. Every single devastating airstrike the West (and allies) make kills innocent civilians and only serves to recruit more ISIS volunteers. We are reaping what we've sowed--by continually invading other countries. I mean, who DO we think we are? The world's police, riding roughshod over cultures to rape their resources to benefit multi nationals who evade tax and allow people to be killed and subjected in the name of capitalist values? Oh. Really. UN, btw, were united for about a day and a half this week but now that the Turks have shot down a Russian warplane, that may well change. Rely on nothing other than that some base human beings (and they're usually men) will lead us into the most dangerous times we've seen since 1945--or maybe 1962... Of course you guys over by are safe from all this. Right now I'm only too conscious that 25 miles from where I write is one of the foremost targets on the planet. HELLO. This wave of terrorism is Muslim inspired. Not all Muslims are terrorists but all these terrorists are Muslims or claim to be. Very few people want to join a losing side. On a winning side they see the glory but on a losing side ........ Ok we all know the reasons but again what do you do about it?? Maybe you should have followed Howard's example about borders and not scoffed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 1:21:17 GMT -1
Aye. Very good.
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Post by ozneil on Nov 26, 2015 3:24:23 GMT -1
Aye. Very good. Doncha just luv Smart Arses
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