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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2012 19:55:35 GMT -1
An interesting development today now that the toff Cameron's tried to call Alex Salmond's 'bluff'. Starting to panic maybe, looking at the sums? Desperate to call an early referendum in the hope that Scots will vote against independence? Maybe they need us more than we need them?  I think it's a bit of an own goal, myself. A red rag to a bull---there are but 15 Tory MSPs at Holyrood and 1, yes 1 (for shame) Westminster MP. If he just shut up and left us to the original plan of 2014 (which is the mandate Scotland voted the SNP in on in 2011), there's increasing chance that the vote would be for independence. The polls are showing a slow and steady YES inclination every single month. It's now about 40%. Scottish independence would destroy the UKE Labour party's chances at Westminster and ensure a Tory government in perpetuity in Engerlandshire. You'd think he'd realise that. The worst about today, though, has been the utter outpouring of anti-Scottish bile and nonsense talked by thousands of Little Englanders. They seem intent on making enemies of us, they are deeply contemptuous of us (still believing the myth that THEY subsidise US)--and the same people are also alienating every country in the European Union. Perhaps it's THEM that should declare independence  |
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Post by notanimby on Jan 9, 2012 21:59:51 GMT -1
An interesting development today now that the toff Cameron's tried to call Alex Salmond's 'bluff'. Starting to panic maybe, looking at the sums? Desperate to call an early referendum in the hope that Scots will vote against independence? Maybe they need us more than we need them? I think it's a bit of an own goal, myself. A red rag to a bull---there are but 15 Tory MSPs at Holyrood and 1, yes 1 (for shame) Westminster MP. If he just shut up and left us to the original plan of 2014 (which is the mandate Scotland voted the SNP in on in 2011), there's increasing chance that the vote would be for independence. The polls are showing a slow and steady YES inclination every single month. It's now about 40%. Scottish independence would destroy the UKE Labour party's chances at Westminster and ensure a Tory government in perpetuity in Engerlandshire. You'd think he'd realise that. The worst about today, though, has been the utter outpouring of anti-Scottish bile and nonsense talked by thousands of Little Englanders. They seem intent on making enemies of us, they are deeply contemptuous of us (still believing the myth that THEY subsidise US)--and the same people are also alienating every country in the European Union. Perhaps it's THEM that should declare independence Yes indeed I spend many a happy hour contributing on the torygraph site, the Alan cochrane articles are particularly entertaining - see if you kin spot me The ignorance of the little-englanders is a joy to behold Wee clue I' m not called notanimby |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2012 23:43:39 GMT -1
Ooooh! I'll away and have a look, Nota  ....not that the Telegraph's on my bookmarked list or anything...... Fair dos, there are a few rampant Jocks who give us all a bad name by giving it 'Freedom' and all sorts of other ignorant nonsense on the comment boards (cringe) and we'd all disown them toot sweet. But the sheer outpouring from certain sectors of the English population (very wealthy and not so wealthy) is frankly way off the scale It's a shame for all our decent English neebs that a few are stirring it to extremes. If they're so damned envious of us spending our money on free education/prescriptions/elderly care, then why not lobby their own government for the same, rather than pour out incessant bile? On the back foot, or what? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 0:42:47 GMT -1
And of course we all KNOW that Scotland's lost out on 166 million pounds of Lottery money that would normally be distributed to charities so that the lot can be invested in the LONDON Olympics? Despite promises that the gains would be shared throughout the UKE, Scotland has been awarded precisely 6 football games (starring several small African nations) at Hampden. And err, that's it. Glasgow Marketing and Tourist Board gloat about the £350,000 they are to receive in order to brand up the city with Olympic banners so as to make us all feel part of it all, doncha know Tourist chiefs are now coming out in droves to say that any thought of Olympic spectators adding on a visit to Scotland is akin to Scotch Mist. Ain't gonna happen. SURPRISE! Now does it not seem to you that OUR 166 MILLION QUID might have been better spent on people in need of assistance here in Scotland? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 9:14:14 GMT -1
I have a suspicion that Scotland will vote against Independence. I don't know why, partly I think Eck should have gone for it earlier and now the 'fear' brigade are stirring up the nest.
I was a pro-unionist for many years but now I just wish we in Scotland would rebuke through intelligent and robust debate the shenanigans by some and allow us in Scotland to make our own decisions regarding our destiny. If the Scottish people vote for status quo or Independence, I'll live with either of the outcomes as long as we are the ones who get to decide and not have Cammy's cronies and henchmen impose it upon us.
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Post by notanimby on Jan 10, 2012 9:46:05 GMT -1
I can't understand why the Tory government want an early referendum - shirley it is in their interest to leave it as long as possible, as that nice mr cameron has said the economy will be wonderful by the next UK election |
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Post by notanimby on Jan 10, 2012 9:59:14 GMT -1
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Post by notanimby on Jan 10, 2012 10:11:19 GMT -1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 18:41:05 GMT -1
I have a suspicion that Scotland will vote against Independence. I don't know why, partly I think Eck should have gone for it earlier and now the 'fear' brigade are stirring up the nest. I was a pro-unionist for many years but now I just wish we in Scotland would rebuke through intelligent and robust debate the shenanigans by some and allow us in Scotland to make our own decisions regarding our destiny. If the Scottish people vote for status quo or Independence, I'll live with either of the outcomes as long as we are the ones who get to decide and not have Cammy's cronies and henchmen impose it upon us. Hit it on the nail, there, Gilly. All I would want is for the Scots to make their own minds up in an informed and intelligent way, complete with FACTS and not scurrilous scaremongering. I have to say that Eck and Nicola have been impressive in their handling of this sorry attempt at intervention these last couple of days. Very calm, resolute and reasonable. When SNP were elected with a big majority last year, it was laid out in the manifesto that a referendum on independence would be held in the second half of their term. I don't see why we should be hectored into changing the terms of that pledge just because the Westminster government (who have NO mandate in Scotland) find it expedient. Personally I think the worst possible outcome of it all would be for the Scots to vote for status quo when there's a very obvious, very nasty strain of anti-Scots feeling coming out of the more ignorant Little Englanders. I've been pretty shocked by the strength of it myself. So much disinformation, so much utter bile.  |
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Post by westender on Jan 11, 2012 16:30:12 GMT -1
Here we go... here it comes... The Scots are off to pick a fight - a righteous good fight, and a long long time coming.... and I can see the whole of the internet, all over the world, going into complete and utter meltdown...  There is SO much that needs to be said, and so much that does not need to be said... and I am certain that unfortunately, the latter will prevail on all sides - except by the SNP. My head hurts already. My Monday morning started with the Toaday programme where suddenly the feckin tory PM has put his foot on the gas for god knows what reason, and Nicola had been roused out of her bed and was fielding R4 and R Scotland (and a very cheeky Garry Marshall)... and by the time me and the boyf had stopped talking (in vehement agreement) about it, and been astonished at some of the nonsense being spoken, my blood pressure was sky high (prolly) and my head was pounding. And we're no even started. I cannae stand it. I wonder what effect what's shortly to come will have on the health of the nation...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2012 21:18:17 GMT -1
You're far from alone, Westie.
But what we need to do now is remain calm and keep our dignity in the face of the onslaught of the horrific, vicious, uninformed anti-Scots hatred that's spewing out all over the net and indeed elsewhere.
Easier said than done, I grant you.
Shall we revert to the main thread now and continue the debate there?
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Post by bormes on Jan 11, 2012 21:30:30 GMT -1
Where are the morally outraged ones now that the BBC are running an anti Scottish PR job?
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Post by westender on Jan 11, 2012 22:24:17 GMT -1
It's an interesting prospect...
The biggest constitutional upheaval for 300 years is now staring the UK in the face.... and who is it that the people have traditionally usually trusted for their coverage of this sorta thing? Why, Auntie Beeb. That's who they turn to.
Well, not this time. Half of the argument - i.e. those who wish independence for Scotland - do not, can not, will not, for good reason, trust the BBC on this matter.
So, who, in the coming storm, is to speak reliably and honestly for them o' independent mind?
What chance do they have? I have no idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2012 23:54:23 GMT -1
Well, I kinda thought this thread was dovetailing into the main thread but apparently not So I'll keep posting till Westie smacks my paw... The Scottish Government have well advanced plans to found a Scottish digital broadcast TV station, using independent companies to provide the content. The plan being to allow a wider spectrum of opinion to be broadcast. Plus a greater focus on local news, politics and arts &culture here, which is virtually ignored by the London-based media- unless a Scot wins at something in which case they're automatically 'British'.  LOL! Probably boring everyone half to death here by now, but over in Catalonia, an independent state, they have specific local broadcast TV and radio stations alongside the main Spanish networks. These are NOT 'regional outposts' for the national broadcasters in the way that BBC Scotland is. Broadcasting is not a devolved issue, currently all the power in that sense lies at Westminster. Here's a wee snap shot of the basic proposal. www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2011/03/09112154 |
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Post by bormes on Jan 12, 2012 8:26:41 GMT -1
Yesterday in Daily Politics and last night Jon Snow were asking questions about the referendum they had all the usual suspects, particularly the wee nyaff Alexander labours suppositry, mouthing off and they, both programmes had a stance against Mr Salmond yet neither had anyone from the SNP nor anyone speaking on behalf of the Scots ourselves. Labour has the most to lose, as with no Scots vote, tory rule will prevail in the south.,
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....not that the Telegraph's on my bookmarked list or anything...... 
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