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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2012 18:31:23 GMT -1
Trouble is windfarms are dependent on weather They only operate generally speaking in wind speed of between 10 and 50 mph. I rest my case, Oz! That would be considered summer in Scotland.... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2012 18:45:39 GMT -1
Despite the likes of thatcher saying nationalised power companies are bad, how come edf is ok, considering it's a nationalised French power company. Does that mean nationalised power companies are ok but just not in uk, or is it just fucking shite to suit the likes of that cunt Broon's brother, and other Tories who make a for choos from them It's just fucking shite, Nota, in the guise of 'competition'. The uber capitalist Tories would have it that competition leads to a better deal and more 'choice' for the customer. In actual fact what it means is the humoungous companies buy out the smaller ones then hold everyone to ransom. A bit like Tesco. Prices for energy, groceries etc are then held at an artificial high with vast profit margins factored in. Don't start me! Oz, are energy companies private or national in Aus?
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Post by ozneil on Oct 28, 2012 19:32:10 GMT -1
Both we have government and private
The power stations and distribution infrastructure are mostly Government owned but not all. We dont have a national grid like you. Distances are too vast. Maximum prices are set by Government but if you hunt you can get decent discounts. We get 11% off both gas and electricity. 9% discount and a further 2% for paying within 30 days. Prices have risen a lot with "sustainable Energy" and and carbon tax.
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Post by ozneil on Oct 29, 2012 4:27:02 GMT -1
Thats nothing compared to the costs of getting rid of a nuclear power-station There's one (well its actually 4) not far from me, Hunterston A has been switched off and being decommissioned for at least 20+ yers now - with donkeys years left to go at a cost of many, many, many millions of pounds. No wonder no "private" company will even think of building one without government subsidies - which are higher than wind will ever get True thats why I reckon in the short to medium term Gas fired power stations are your besr bet particularily as as a country you will be going it alone ane want to make every penny count.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 18:56:14 GMT -1
Both we have government and private The power stations and distribution infrastructure are mostly Government owned but not all. We dont have a national grid like you. Distances are too vast. Maximum prices are set by Government but if you hunt you can get decent discounts. We get 11% off both gas and electricity. 9% discount and a further 2% for paying within 30 days. Prices have risen a lot with "sustainable Energy" and and carbon tax. Here we have a bewildering array of suppliers all trying to deliberately confuse the consumer with baffling tariffs, it would take a mathematician to figure out the best deal Just got home to a letter from ScottishPower advising me of a 5% increase. This could be done on a simple A4 letter but no, you get the letter PLUS some glossy expensively produced brochure which is nothing more than an advert. I object to that. I recently took part in Which magazine's energy survey whereby they calculated the best deal on your fuel consumption. Apparently I could save £200 a year by swopping supplier but SO many horror stories over duplicate billing, direct debits taken in error, then long, wearying fights for refunds, it seems like a sair fecht for £4 a week. Same with swopping bank accounts. You've gotta weigh up the hassle v the potential (small) gain. They're all in it together, you know
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 19:46:13 GMT -1
Meanwhile, I'm really enjoying reading about the weather in Cape Town. Next four days, 29, 29, 33 and 33. UV 7. That'll be just hellish for the SA wineries trip for Mr R tomorrow. I really feel for him.
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Post by ozneil on Oct 29, 2012 20:25:21 GMT -1
They were saying on TV last night our power bills have gone up 50% in the last 5 years . No need for it except government ineptitude and sustainable power which costs a bomb not to mention Gillards stupid carbon tax. They say it will go up another 5% shortly. This government couldnt organise a chook raffle in a telephone box!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2012 0:02:35 GMT -1
Dinnae fool yourself, Oz. Excuses for fuel bill rises are too easily blamed on sustainable power. It's fucking nonsense, you know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Trying to prove it however is a tad more difficult. They're all complete bstrds. Self seeking CEOs that get big payoffs for failing. Don't START me.
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Post by ozneil on Oct 30, 2012 3:20:18 GMT -1
Dinnae fool yourself, Oz. Excuses for fuel bill rises are too easily blamed on sustainable power. It's fucking nonsense, you know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Trying to prove it however is a tad more difficult. They're all complete bstrds. Self seeking CEOs that get big payoffs for failing. Don't START me. Its the government here that is responsible for the pricing. They offered people 13c Kw/hr over 7 years if they put in solar panels. (We now pay 20.60c Kw/hr thats a 50% increase in 5 years.) Only a stupid Socialist Government could see the sense in that . They were surprised at the number of people who took up their offer and surprised they had to put up prices to pay for it. They are really surprised that political rhetoric doesnt actually pay bills
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Post by bormes on Oct 30, 2012 7:59:35 GMT -1
Agreed OZ, Overhere many 2nd hand large petrol engine cars were sold off very cheaply, so a few enterprising companies did LPG conversions on them with the side effect that they were in fact much cleaner pollution wise and they were also much cleaner and less stressful on the engines. SOOOO, what did the Government do? Waited 'till it became popular and enough people were doing it, Petrol stations all over Europe and UK now sell LPG in their forecourts, Marinas too sell LPG for previously too expensive boats to run, meaning less well off people could buy cheap engined boats. Of course now the Governments have hiked up the tax on LPG making it much, much less worth doing as with the cost of conversion then the increased cost of the LPG now almost the same as petrol, it is hardly worth it. Only farmers who can prove they use it mfor dryin their barley can still get it for 4 pece a Litre. Governments are all C*NUTS.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 19:20:45 GMT -1
Agreed OZ, Overhere many 2nd hand large petrol engine cars were sold off very cheaply, so a few enterprising companies did LPG conversions on them with the side effect that they were in fact much cleaner pollution wise and they were also much cleaner and less stressful on the engines. SOOOO, what did the Government do? Waited 'till it became popular and enough people were doing it, Petrol stations all over Europe and UK now sell LPG in their forecourts, Marinas too sell LPG for previously too expensive boats to run, meaning less well off people could buy cheap engined boats. Of course now the Governments have hiked up the tax on LPG making it much, much less worth doing as with the cost of conversion then the increased cost of the LPG now almost the same as petrol, it is hardly worth it. Only farmers who can prove they use it mfor dryin their barley can still get it for 4 pece a Litre. Governments are all C*NUTS. Isn't the price of petrol etc here about 90% tax now? You guys with the 4 x 4s must be toiling a bit at the pumps, can only imagine a full tank can't be far short of £100, bejasus? Bizarrely I remember back in the early 70s when there was a general strike it wasn't uncommon for folks to find someone'd siphoned off their fuel tank in the middle of the night. Can't help thinking that might start happening again.........specially around here A certain Mr King has not one but three top of the range silver Range Rovers parked across the road from my sister's place. Given me an idea, that has....
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Post by ozneil on Nov 27, 2012 20:04:06 GMT -1
Ethanol blend is about $1.40 (£0.88) a litre here.
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Post by notanimby on Nov 27, 2012 20:55:57 GMT -1
Agreed OZ, Overhere many 2nd hand large petrol engine cars were sold off very cheaply, so a few enterprising companies did LPG conversions on them with the side effect that they were in fact much cleaner pollution wise and they were also much cleaner and less stressful on the engines. SOOOO, what did the Government do? Waited 'till it became popular and enough people were doing it, Petrol stations all over Europe and UK now sell LPG in their forecourts, Marinas too sell LPG for previously too expensive boats to run, meaning less well off people could buy cheap engined boats. Of course now the Governments have hiked up the tax on LPG making it much, much less worth doing as with the cost of conversion then the increased cost of the LPG now almost the same as petrol, it is hardly worth it. Only farmers who can prove they use it mfor dryin their barley can still get it for 4 pece a Litre. Governments are all C*NUTS. Isn't the price of petrol etc here about 90% tax now? You guys with the 4 x 4s must be toiling a bit at the pumps, can only imagine a full tank can't be far short of £100, bejasus? Bizarrely I remember back in the early 70s when there was a general strike it wasn't uncommon for folks to find someone'd siphoned off their fuel tank in the middle of the night. Can't help thinking that might start happening again.........specially around here A certain Mr King has not one but three top of the range silver Range Rovers parked across the road from my sister's place. Given me an idea, that has.... The X5 has a 90 litre tank, with diesel at @£1.42 a litre that means a full tank costs £127 But we easily average 30MPG To tell you the truth we never really count the cst of fuel as its a necessity for us, using public transport is just lunacy for us. A friend has a 4.4 litreV8 X5, it was 4 grand cheaper than the diesel equivalent diesel, it cost him £1200 for the LPG conversion and he gets slightly less MPG than petrol but its a hell of a lot cheaper to buy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 23:56:58 GMT -1
The X5 has a 90 litre tank, with diesel at @£1.42 a litre that means a full tank costs £127 But we easily average 30MPG To tell you the truth we never really count the cst of fuel as its a necessity for us, using public transport is just lunacy for us. I'm confused with this litre/gallon obfuscation! Nota, how far can you drive with a full tank of whatever it is that costs £127?
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Post by bormes on Nov 28, 2012 10:09:17 GMT -1
Yes Rolo, it is a deliberate obfuscation on behalf of the petrol companies and the govt. iIn the past when petrol or diesel, which was cheaper and is cheaper to make, yet now is dearer than petrol, if it went up more than 3 p a gall. There was uproar, now though they put it up 5p per litre which is 22.5p per gallon!! Outrageous. Most of the money is of course tax to the govt, so in a way when they try so hard to make us all go on public transport with all it's problems, they will in fact reach a point, partially happening already, where the revenue will become a real problem for them as people not driving means LESS tax for them, so they need a fairer balance.
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