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Post by bormes on Jun 24, 2014 19:49:27 GMT -1
A discredited cretinous journalist, as most are, was today found guilty of Phone Hacking for the News of the World. Tomorrow another verdict will be heard as well. Obnoxious and bent as he and most of them are, I still have to give a bit of admiration to him for taking the blame. He has allowed his boss, whom he was shagging, one Rebekah Brooks, to be found Not Guilty and that means it will not then reach up to the Murdochs, who were the target of those who have pursued Coulson, Brooks and Murdoch's empire. If he does not write a book and keeps his mouth shut, he will be rewarded well as the Murdoch people look after their own. The unfortunate outcome is the likes of Sheridan will probably trumpet his innocence, or a technical mistake in his trial, when he would be better shutting up? Not many people in the public eye manage to keep their mouths shut, so perhaps partly as they were an item Coulson taking the rap is quite good of him. Although she as his boss and lover knew exactly what was going on, or if she allegedly did not, then she was not doing her job even half well. I think almost anyone who read any of the tribulations of this Newspaper would not doubt for a second that she is as guilty as Coulson, as is Murdoch.
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Post by ozneil on Jun 24, 2014 20:35:52 GMT -1
Good for him ... at least he has some morals and guts in protecting the lady.
We regard Murdoch a bit differently out here but of course the "left" hate him coz he wont kow-tow to them. The most serious paper in Australia is the Australian and it is a good non politically biased paper. Its owned by News Corp
News Corp own about 1/3 of newspapers here and have 75% of market Fairfax media is the other big news organisation
Peter Greste the Oz journo has been sentenced to 7 years in an Egyptian jail for alledgedly supporting a terrorist organisation . Blind Freddy could see he was innocent.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 21:21:04 GMT -1
Andy Coulson has MORALS?
Are you f*cking KIDDING us on now, Oz?
Fnaaaarrrrr....
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Post by ozneil on Jun 24, 2014 21:47:30 GMT -1
Andy Coulson has MORALS? Are you f*cking KIDDING us on now, Oz? Fnaaaarrrrr.... Wouldnt know him from a bar of soap But surely protecting a woman shows some good in him
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 21:58:55 GMT -1
Might I suggest a bit of reading on the background of Rebekah and her gang Oz?
She knew fine WELL what was going on with the phone hacking. She's not daft. Likely some have been bribed by Murdoch to take the rap. The whole shebang stinks to high heaven.
What's most interesting is the Tommy Sheridan case, as Coulson was instrumental in breaking the story of Sheridan's apparent misbaviour.
POT,KETTLE, I say.
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Post by celyn on Jun 24, 2014 23:22:51 GMT -1
Yep, I am somewhat amazed, gobsmacked and all sorts of flabbergasted to learn that Rebekah Brooks is innocent. Hmmm.
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Post by ozneil on Jun 24, 2014 23:56:17 GMT -1
Yep, I am somewhat amazed, gobsmacked and all sorts of flabbergasted to learn that Rebekah Brooks is innocent. Hmmm. There is a difference between being guilty and being able to prove it beyond reasonable doubt
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Post by ozneil on Jun 25, 2014 0:05:52 GMT -1
Might I suggest a bit of reading on the background of Rebekah and her gang Oz? She knew fine WELL what was going on with the phone hacking. She's not daft. Likely some have been bribed by Murdoch to take the rap. The whole shebang stinks to high heaven. What's most interesting is the Tommy Sheridan case, as Coulson was instrumental in breaking the story of Sheridan's apparent misbaviour. POT,KETTLE, I say. Why? Im not interested in a mucky case on the far side of the world. I always thought innocent till proved guilty however innuendo is a wonderful weapon btw I have no idea who Sheridan is and dont really care either What does interest me is people's reaction to a court's findings when it doesnt suit their preconceived ideas or political agenda.
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Post by notanimby on Jun 25, 2014 5:28:12 GMT -1
Might I suggest a bit of reading on the background of Rebekah and her gang Oz? She knew fine WELL what was going on with the phone hacking. She's not daft. Likely some have been bribed by Murdoch to take the rap. The whole shebang stinks to high heaven. What's most interesting is the Tommy Sheridan case, as Coulson was instrumental in breaking the story of Sheridan's apparent misbaviour. POT,KETTLE, I say. Why? Im not interested in a mucky case on the far side of the world. I always thought innocent till proved guilty however innuendo is a wonderful weapon btw I have no idea who Sheridan is and dont really care either What does interest me is people's reaction to a court's findings when it doesnt suit their preconceived ideas or political agenda.Hmmmm I'm sure Paddy Meehan, Bridgewater 4, Stefan Kiszko, Birmingham 6, Guildford 4 ( to name but a few) were all found guilty in court - FORTUNATELY "people's reaction to a court's findings when it doesnt suit their preconceived ideas or political agenda" led to them being released and their convictions quashed - because they were fitted up either by the polis, MI5 and the establishment at large. Also your statement (in bold) could equally apply to the australian journalist in Egypt - why should they kow-tow to a press agency based in the loony right-wing state of Qatar, who use slave labour and deny democracy and human rights to its citizens
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Post by notanimby on Jun 25, 2014 5:32:50 GMT -1
Andy Coulson has MORALS? Are you f*cking KIDDING us on now, Oz? Fnaaaarrrrr.... Wouldnt know him from a bar of soap But surely protecting a woman shows some good in him So protecting a woman, no matter how guilty she is, no matter the crime is a good thing? I'm sure the victims' families of rose west ( and fred) myra hyndley ( ian brady) , for example will be gratified to know that they two animals really should be out and living free in society ( I know hyndley is deid now) but only for theiur men not standing up and taking all the blame - basturts so they ur...............
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Post by bormes on Jun 25, 2014 7:44:11 GMT -1
Over here OZ I think it would be hard to find anyone who thought Brooks did not know what was going on? Like you though, he has shown a wee bit of courage by taking the blame, perhaps as they were lovers, perhaps just loyalty, perhaps even bribed or even for his own safety, however he has done it and I think that does show a bit of grit. I know people who were accused of very serious crimes and held their mouths shut knowing they could have been jailed wrongly but they went to court and the establishment f?cked them. Lee Clegg being one of them, he was jailed for murder for shooting a man who knowingly drove though a Paratroopers check point in N.I. Lee rightly opened fire as did another and Lee was found guilty, DESPITE the law allowing him to shoot at escaping prisoners or the breaching of a check point. He was released from jail early returned to his unit and fought in the Falklands and Afghanistan. It was proven beyond doubt his shot missed and the other soldier had killed the driver but by then slimy bliar had his agreement and appeased the ira so it was all conveniantly forgotten
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Post by ozneil on Jun 25, 2014 9:20:49 GMT -1
Nota I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
I assume its a left wing rant of some kind but I could be mistaken
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Post by notanimby on Jun 25, 2014 10:47:48 GMT -1
Nota I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I assume its a left wing rant of some kind but I could be mistaken The people I mentioned above ( very infamous cases in the UK) were all found guilty in court. The vast majority of people came to see that they were fitted up by the police, MI5 and the establishment - are you saying that - are you trying to say that everyone who fought for their release was just doing it because of their political ideas? They weren't cases were undiscovered evidence innocently came to light years later - they were all cases involving perjury, fabricating evidence and in some cases torture - I'm sorry I don't understand why you think complaining about such things is some sort of political rant. I also took issue with your rather naive tosh about Coulson being a good guy for taking the blame for a woman - I cannot for the life of me why that is a good thing under whatsoever - are you trying to say that in criminal conspiracy cases that the guy should take either all the blame or part of the blame just to save the woman's sensibilities?
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Post by notanimby on Jun 25, 2014 10:54:58 GMT -1
Over here OZ I think it would be hard to find anyone who thought Brooks did not know what was going on? Like you though, he has shown a wee bit of courage by taking the blame, perhaps as they were lovers, perhaps just loyalty, perhaps even bribed or even for his own safety, however he has done it and I think that does show a bit of grit. I know people who were accused of very serious crimes and held their mouths shut knowing they could have been jailed wrongly but they went to court and the establishment f?cked them. Lee Clegg being one of them, he was jailed for murder for shooting a man who knowingly drove though a Paratroopers check point in N.I. Lee rightly opened fire as did another and Lee was found guilty, DESPITE the law allowing him to shoot at escaping prisoners or the breaching of a check point. He was released from jail early returned to his unit and fought in the Falklands and Afghanistan. It was proven beyond doubt his shot missed and the other soldier had killed the driver but by then slimy bliar had his agreement and appeased the ira so it was all conveniantly forgotten I'm sorry but I cannot see the courage in his actions by taking the blame - stupidity, bribery and fear yes but courage alas no. As mentioned on another post, this does indeed open another door in favour of sheridan's appeal - it should be quite straightforward for his team to show that a huge chunk of the evidence used against him is tainted. His conviction ( beyond reasonable doubt) is on a shoogly peg
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Post by bormes on Jun 25, 2014 13:43:17 GMT -1
Well I think it is courageous to take the blame for someone else, you can pick and choose certain cases but in the case I mentioned, nothing to do with murders etc., I did point out that he COULD have dropped her and no doubt others in it but chose not to. Many, in fact most ira guilty verdicts were due to other terrorists giving information and often testimony againt their own. Coulson has shown courage, albeit I dont like him, Brooks, Bliar and their whole Cabal, in my opinion he has for whatever reason chosen to be silent. That does not automatically mean what you say Nota, I am merely commenting on this case and Lee Cleggs case where Clegg also showed remarkable courage.
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