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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 23:22:37 GMT -1
I'm feeling pretty scared, to be honest. Labour's rightly dead in the water here in Scotland but given that the Tories been in power for 5 years, it's likely they'll get significant votes south of the border. What we're looking at, I believe, is Scotland being majorly SNP and Green. No Tories or Lab MPs hardly at all. Both Lab and Tory in England are going to get a serious fright via UKIP who I think will take many MP seats, fuckwits that they are. UKIP has no place in Scotland: we despise them almost as much as we do the Tories...and the Red Tories (aka Labour). Vote SNP, get as many as possible into the Westmonster government so we have the best representation of Scottish interests. It's looking increasingly likely that SNP will hold the balance of power---and we can USE THIS to get the best possible outcome for Scotland. Biding our time.
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Post by bormes on Feb 3, 2015 9:33:50 GMT -1
I feel that IF we do have a huge majority in Westmonster we should NOT side with labour we should remain Independent until something that concerns Scotland is to be voted on!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 19:42:04 GMT -1
SNP have 100% ruled out a coalition with the Tories, but not with Labour as far as I know. I agree with you in principle, Bormes, Lab are just Red Tories now. But they'd have to make HUGE compromises, like Trident, before SNP would consider joining them in a coalition. Any such coalition would result in a Scottish Deputy Prime Minister, which of course would be Alex Salmond..... who we trust to stand up for Scotland and fight for our best interests across the board. What's certain is that SNP and Green will get a huge majority in Scotland, underlining yet again the vast divide between values North and South. Scottish Labour are panicking: Jim Murphy's ratings are appalling, so they're wheeling out Gordon Broon--who won't even BE an MP after May (talk is he's after the ermine...).. We're over the NO vote and working towards the best possible result for people in Scotland come May.
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Post by notanimby on Feb 3, 2015 20:00:09 GMT -1
SNP have 100% ruled out a coalition with the Tories, but not with Labour as far as I know. I agree with you in principle, Bormes, Lab are just Red Tories now. But they'd have to make HUGE compromises, like Trident, before SNP would consider joining them in a coalition. Any such coalition would result in a Scottish Deputy Prime Minister, which of course would be Alex Salmond..... who we trust to stand up for Scotland and fight for our best interests across the board. What's certain is that SNP and Green will get a huge majority in Scotland, underlining yet again the vast divide between values North and South. Scottish Labour are panicking: Jim Murphy's ratings are appalling, so they're wheeling out Gordon Broon--who won't even BE an MP after May (talk is he's after the ermine...).. We're over the NO vote and working towards the best possible result for people in Scotland come May. Hopefully come May, that complete slimy basturt Murphy will have the opperchancity to return to uni and complete that degree he spent 7 or was it 9 years not getting But what will BBC Scotlandshire do without their hourly jim Murphy does something, says something slot, they may ave to resort to reporting proper news.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 20:36:55 GMT -1
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Post by celyn on Feb 7, 2015 2:17:46 GMT -1
... Both Lab and Tory in England are going to get a serious fright via UKIP who I think will take many MP seats... Oh, I hope not. Really hope not. I do so much hope not. Happy to give blue Tories and "the people's flag is palest pink-it's not as red as you might think" Tories a damn good kicking, but I would be horrified were this to turn into a good thing for UKIP in England. (Horrifying were it to happen here too, of course, but I think that is not likely). Yes, I realise that I am leaving Wales out of the discussion here, for which I am sorry.
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Post by celyn on Feb 7, 2015 2:22:26 GMT -1
I feel that IF we do have a huge majority in Westmonster we should NOT side with labour we should remain Independent until something that concerns Scotland is to be voted on! Confidence and supply is much more likely than entering into a coalition. When supping with the Devil, use a long spoon.
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Post by celyn on Feb 7, 2015 2:27:05 GMT -1
... Biding our time. Biding our thyme. Sage advice there, Rolo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 22:23:23 GMT -1
... Both Lab and Tory in England are going to get a serious fright via UKIP who I think will take many MP seats... Oh, I hope not. Really hope not. I do so much hope not. Happy to give blue Tories and "the people's flag is palest pink-it's not as red as you might think" Tories a damn good kicking, but I would be horrified were this to turn into a good thing for UKIP in England. (Horrifying were it to happen here too, of course, but I think that is not likely). Yes, I realise that I am leaving Wales out of the discussion here, for which I am sorry. I think the writing's already on the wall re UKIP come May, Celyn It seems horrendously likely they'll make significant gains in parts of Middle and Southeast England in particular. It has always seemed very strange to me that Nigel Farage is given so much coverage in the UK media: disproportionate to the current standing of his party in terms of seats held at Westmonster. And..it's become a bit of a joke (an unfunny one, granted) that he's had more exposure via Question Time, for example, than representatives of other 'minority' parties such as Greens, Plaid Cymru and SNP. UKIP terrify and amuse me in equal measure, as do their supporters. Little Englanders in the main, foaming at the mouth: none of that Johnny Foreign muck, who do these EU immigrants think they are, coming over here, practically staffing the NHS single handedly, doing all the dirty jobs nobody else wants, contributing tens of millions into our tax coffers?
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Post by bormes on Feb 8, 2015 9:08:56 GMT -1
They, the U KIP, RIGHTLY play to the genuine, justified worries of ordinary working people in the Midlands. They worry about UNELECTED EU MANDARINS making laws WE have to follow and MANY of these laws are absurd. U KIP are taking up the gap left by ALL politicians who SHOULD be addressing these problems and also the HUGE PROBLEM of not EU people but ISLAMIC NON INTEGRATING people and that has many vote for U KIP !!
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Post by ozneil on Feb 8, 2015 20:47:17 GMT -1
... Biding our time. Biding our thyme. Sage advice there, Rolo. Then they will have goose cooked
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 23:04:34 GMT -1
Westmonster election is ten days away. Polls indicate a hung parliament, with neither Lab nor Tory having an outright majority. SNP will hold the balance of power with what looks to be WELL upwards of 40 out of 57 seats from the current 6. Scottish Labour are nowhere, as are Lib Dems. Total wipeout. It seems like the Scottish people believe only the SNP will stand up for Scotland's best interests. So, the Unionist Parties have resorted to THE most hellish campaign against Scottish voters having the right to choose who represents our interests. (What happened to *Scotland, we love you, please stay with us in the Union* ? ) Apparently they only want us--and our tax contributions- if we vote the way they want us to. Except we see through that and are giving it They've gone BATSHIT CRAZY now, aided and abetted by certain self-interested media outlets. If not so tragic it'd be hilarious. Oh wait.....
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Post by ozneil on Apr 29, 2015 2:34:55 GMT -1
Frankly my only interest in your election is academic. The outcome will not affect me or this country.
The seats SNP win will be taken at the expense of labour seats so will not alter the number of anti-Tory seats.
If labour do not get a clear majority(with SNP taking 40+ of their seats looks doubtful) and they wish to form a government it means a coalition or a less formal agreement in which case it could be the tail wagging the dog. This point will not be lost on English voters and may act as a deterrent on labour voting in South Scotland (aka England). It may not. Ms sturgeons CV is very interesting particularly her political views. Could influence either way If tories dont win a clear majority they may have to rely on UKIP vote. Once again people realise this and may turn against UKIP
Speaking from the side lines it is going to be very interesting to say the least.
If it is a hung or minority parliament do you have a mechanism to call a new election or form another government? eg Vote of no confidence
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 22:46:19 GMT -1
Frankly my only interest in your election is academic. The outcome will not affect me or this country. The seats SNP win will be taken at the expense of labour seats so will not alter the number of anti-Tory seats. If labour do not get a clear majority(with SNP taking 40+ of their seats looks doubtful) and they wish to form a government it means a coalition or a less formal agreement in which case it could be the tail wagging the dog. This point will not be lost on English voters and may act as a deterrent on labour voting in South Scotland (aka England). It may not. Ms sturgeons CV is very interesting particularly her political views. Could influence either way If tories dont win a clear majority they may have to rely on UKIP vote. Once again people realise this and may turn against UKIP Speaking from the side lines it is going to be very interesting to say the least. If it is a hung or minority parliament do you have a mechanism to call a new election or form another government? eg Vote of no confidence The tail wagging the dog? What kind of right wing press and forums are you reading/cutting and pasting from Oz ?? If Lab do a deal with SNP it will only be because between them they can form government. Tories didn't have an outright majority in 2010 but formed a coalition with the LibDems. I dont recall hearing wails of outrage that the LIBDEMS equalled the tail wagging the dog. Oh no. It seems its only undemocratic if it's the SCOTTISH vote that leads to the third biggest party in the UKE holding the balance of power. Quelle surprise. And yes, if a hung parliament -which is 100% on the cards-, if no one party can form a coalition to give them majority in House Of Commons, a second election is possible. But NOBODY wants that because it means there is no elected government in charge in the interim, as parliament was dissolved a few weeks ago on the run up to the election.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 23:10:41 GMT -1
Labour leader Ed Miliband has just said on TV he will do no deal with the SNP and would rather see a Tory govt than do so. He's clearly given up on Scottish votes in the light of todays polls that put SNP 30 points ahead and on course to take ALL 59 Westmonster seats. Clearly now desperately trying to appeal to middle England. I doubt Jim Murphy, ScotLab leader will last the week. And it might befall ED that he doesn't make Prime Minister and that Lab will replace him toot suite with a leader who WILL get real and do the deal. Watch this space.
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