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Post by ozneil on Apr 30, 2015 23:13:06 GMT -1
Not any press right or left simple common sense. Like "its my ball you do as I want or I will take it away" or put it more simply if you dont do as we want we will withdraw our support and you will lose power. Salmond said as much.
Now thats not too hard a concept to grasp is it?
A party representing 10% of the population dictating terms to 90% of population
That is the tail wagging the dog
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Post by bormes on May 1, 2015 19:21:44 GMT -1
That is what is actually happening just now with the liberals and tories. It is the sort of Parliament in most EU Countries. However Oz, the problem that we have in Scotland is the largest resources and wealth from resources are virtually all Scottish resources. Yet exporting them from England means when accounting is done we are then LIED to that English exports ( No details as that is under the official secrets act) are huge compared to Scotlands. Now if you share said resources between five million that is being shared between sixty five million with the lagest share over thirty seven percent to London then I think you will agree Scotland could and should stand on our own and HAPPILY be a part of the UK as much as the UK is part of the EU. That brings me to explain why we have no other way of changing to a FAIRER distribution of OUR resources and that WITHOUT violence, like Ireland.
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Post by ozneil on May 1, 2015 21:32:23 GMT -1
Still doesnt alter my statement.
If SNP does hold balance of power they will need wisdom of Solomon.
I wonder if they have it.
Gonna be interesting
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 23:41:52 GMT -1
Not any press right or left simple common sense. Like "its my ball you do as I want or I will take it away" or put it more simply if you dont do as we want we will withdraw our support and you will lose power. Salmond said as much. Now thats not too hard a concept to grasp is it? A party representing 10% of the population dictating terms to 90% of population That is the tail wagging the dog The people of Scotland are voting-- as we see fit-- for those we feel will best represent Scottish interests at Westmonster. That neither Labour nor Tories can command an outright majority is a matter for the whole of the UKE and has been in so many elections in the past few years. Coalitions, loose or otherwise, have been the order of the day. But when Scotland is about to vote in the SNP in HUGE numbers now it's a *problem* and *undemocratic*. Is it fuck As for proportional representation, Oz. In Scotland, in living memory, we're well used to not getting the government we vote for. It's hardly unusual hereabouts to be ruled over by a Tory government when they only hold 1 or 2 seats of the 59 we're able to elect. You can't be saying, shirley, that Scottish representatives should be deemed any less valid than MPs voted in from the rest of the UKE?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 0:00:16 GMT -1
That is what is actually happening just now with the liberals and tories. It is the sort of Parliament in most EU Countries. However Oz, the problem that we have in Scotland is the largest resources and wealth from resources are virtually all Scottish resources. Yet exporting them from England means when accounting is done we are then LIED to that English exports ( No details as that is under the official secrets act) are huge compared to Scotlands. Now if you share said resources between five million that is being shared between sixty five million with the lagest share over thirty seven percent to London then I think you will agree Scotland could and should stand on our own and HAPPILY be a part of the UK as much as the UK is part of the EU. That brings me to explain why we have no other way of changing to a FAIRER distribution of OUR resources and that WITHOUT violence, like Ireland. Precisely why the Unionist parties were shitting themselves and brought all manner of lies and threats to bear back in Indyref last September. The whole budget of the UKE is dependent on a disproportionate contribution to taxes from Scottish industry: such as oil and gas, whisky, technology/gaming, agriculture/farming, science, food and drink, music and arts, academic research and tourism (if I missed a few other major Scottish contributions, forgive me, there's SO MANY.. ) Take that income out of the UKE balance of payments and boy the sums DO NOT ADD UP. Tories, Lab and Lib Dems alike ALL know that when Scotland goes independent, they will have to admit that in actual fact, rUK doesn't subsidise Scotland. But they're terrified of that coming out, because they'd need to tax rUK SO much more highly to make up for the deficit. *We* do not hate the English, but we do, I think, increasingly want away from the Westmonster regime and to manage our own affairs. Every single country in Europe is autonomous and manages their own affairs, despite sharing physical borders. We're no different
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Post by ozneil on May 2, 2015 0:06:52 GMT -1
I am not voicing an opinion.
I am stating possible/probable outcomes .
The results wont affect me or this country since you will still be a member of the EU
You do get the government voted for by the majority of the voters in the UK. You are part of the UK. You voted to remain, That is democracy. This election will probably have a profound effect on the UK's immediate future whether good or bad remains to be seen
As I say its gonna be very interesting
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 0:33:05 GMT -1
I am not voicing an opinion. I am stating possible/probable outcomes . The results wont affect me or this country since you will still be a member of the EU You do get the government voted for by the majority of the voters in the UK. You are part of the UK. You voted to remain, That is democracy. This election will probably have a profound effect on the UK's immediate future whether good or bad remains to be seen As I say its gonna be very interesting And as you rightly say, 55% voted to stay in the Union. So as part of the UKE for the time being, whoever we vote in to the 59 available seats is tantamount to democracy in action. Except it's maybe not, given the rumblings from Westminster Tories and Labs-- that they might just not approve of how we're voting and we've upset their cosy little applecart. Hell yeah, bring it on.
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Post by ozneil on May 2, 2015 0:56:48 GMT -1
and not before time!
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Post by ozneil on May 3, 2015 20:57:33 GMT -1
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 18:45:27 GMT -1
AND......three days to go. All hell's breaking loose as expected. More than ever we need to be careful about our news sources and try to get a broader view than from the mainstream media! Today is a case in point. Oz, you'll no doubt hear of the great Glasgow riot that happened between 11 and 11.30 this morning so here are some facts: Jim Murphy arranged a PA system and about 20 Labour activists to *rally* at St Enoch Square. He (or very possibly John McTernan, his chief of staff) also arranged for Eddie Izzard, a cross dressing comedian who supported Better Together, to travel from London to speak. How TERRIBLY CONVENIENT, then, that a professional protester called Sean Clerkin turned up with a megaphone and heckled them. (Clerkin is a member of the far left Scottish Socialist Party (SSP) and stood as a candidate for them in the past and is a supporter of Indy, btw, and there the resemblance to SNP stops.) Now AMAZINGLY there were more MSM press hacks at the *rally* than there were Labour supporters, who obligingly and dutifully wrote screaming headlines about a riot (bit of a scuffle as Lab security, including McTernan, held the guy away from Murphy) while alluding to Nicola's rampant Nats. And SURPRISINGLY those same hacks failed to report the huge rally on Buchanan Steps where Nicola spoke to thousands who had gathered. Well I never. Intriguingly, two things have emerged since this morning: 1. Uncropped photos taken by passers by which show EXACTLY what happened. 2. Evidence that LABOUR party (McT again?) tipped Clerkin off that Murphy would be speaking at 11am. He has previous of this--and other dirty tricks-- in Aus when he worked for Gillard. Still with me? Good! Except hell breaks loose over inaccurate reports, or should I say LIES, that Scot Nats rioted against Labours right to campaign today in Glasgow. Torrents of hideous anti-Scottish rhetoric, much of it along the lines of Nazi/fascist tendencies and dire warnings of another 1938. The big two party machine is clearly desperate now and are using SNP as the big bogeyman to boost their own vote. Except approx 54% of Scots are set to vote SNP on Thursday. Both Lab and Tories are the architects of their own demise in Scotland due to the utter contempt they're directing towards us. I expect worse in the coming days. But we will, as they say, keep the heid. I'd be interested to know what the press report over your way, Oz. I imagine McT will feature due to the trail he left over there....
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Post by ozneil on May 4, 2015 20:27:51 GMT -1
Thanks Rolo a fantastic post. Its the sort of info we just dont get here.
Nothing about it in Papers here yet but will prob appear later in day if at all and it was in time to miss all tv news. Though I did see something in late news with guys waving red placards and the cameraman showing a dearth of audience. Dont know if it was Glasgow though
McTiernan was full of dirty tricks here but had no idea about Australian perceptions. He suffered badly from dentapedia (foot in mouth disease) For example his misogynist speech was laughable and was treated with derision and comtempt. He chose Abbott as his target, couldnt have chosen a less misogynist target in a 100 years. I cant remember all his other faux pas. Gillard made so many of hers on her own without his help. Im surprised anyone would hire him
The left wing press here will ignore their fiasco in Scotland. The Telegraph , the Australian one, may pick it up. If I can find it I will paste it.
Not yet but Tele has a short piece on the election.... usual bull shit fron 2 main leaders and this lit6tle tiny bit at end
The one I posted above is prob the best I have seen on UK election
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Post by ozneil on May 5, 2015 8:15:44 GMT -1
Found it on SBS news tonight will put up link as soon as they put it on web page!!!!!
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Post by ozneil on May 5, 2015 11:17:59 GMT -1
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 17:53:53 GMT -1
Sorry no, link doesnt work here, Oz.
What was the gist?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:01:51 GMT -1
Just on McTernan, his part in Scottish Labours downfall is being highlighted through soc net.
He is being sorely challenged and boy, he does not like it. I think he'd like to believe he's influential, dangerous even but actually the general view seems to be he's a blagger with a string of failures behind him. How people like him worm their way into government positions is a complete mystery to most of us.
Are you on Twitter at all? You don't have to join up but you can go to the site and search McTernan and see what I mean.
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