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Post by bormes on Aug 17, 2015 19:41:21 GMT -1
Enjoyed both sides there well done. I think Oz's last wee round up is the most accurate description I have read about the UK. They, the Government want CONTROL of us from the cradle to the grave. They only want us as CONSUMERS, we live in this world of CONSUMERISM and I am not too fond of it. The lagest problem for the UK is the DISPARITY between the poorest workers and the wealthiest workers. The largest problem for the WORLD is over and growing POPULATION!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 18:48:03 GMT -1
You missed Welfare out, Oz.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 18:57:15 GMT -1
Enjoyed both sides there well done. I think Oz's last wee round up is the most accurate description I have read about the UK. They, the Government want CONTROL of us from the cradle to the grave. They only want us as CONSUMERS, we live in this world of CONSUMERISM and I am not too fond of it. The lagest problem for the UK is the DISPARITY between the poorest workers and the wealthiest workers. The largest problem for the WORLD is over and growing POPULATION!! Couldn't agree more, Bormes, about inequality in the UKE system. This is what happens when successive Westminster governments cave in to global conglomerates and conspire to allow them to evade tax while paying poverty wages. Meanwhile everyone who pays regular taxes is subsidising the greedy. There are many more unemployed than there are jobs available. I want Scottish independence because I believe a Scottish government is best placed to stand up for the Scottish people and to respond to local issues where investment's required in our industries and in our workforce. Not to mention endorsing free higher education, free prescriptions and free elderly care. It's about how we want our society to be and ours, here in Scotland, needs to be more equitable with equality of opportunity so that we can ALL be the best we can be. <steps off soapbox>
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Post by ozneil on Aug 21, 2015 20:48:54 GMT -1
You missed Welfare out, Oz. Rats so I did. My comments have all been based on economics. Idont know enough bout your welfare system to comment I have only 2 gripes on UK welfare both on Age pension. 1 why in heavens name should wealthy people get and Aged Pension? They dont need it, the really poor do and could get more if it wasnt squandered on the rich. 2 It is ludicrous that UK emigrants get paid a full or part UK pension after they opted out of UK and have been living and working here for 20 to 30 years. Im not talking about people who retire to warmer climes after working their whole life in UK. Our pension scheme is NOT reciprocal with UK.
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Post by ozneil on Aug 21, 2015 20:58:36 GMT -1
Enjoyed both sides there well done. I think Oz's last wee round up is the most accurate description I have read about the UK. They, the Government want CONTROL of us from the cradle to the grave. They only want us as CONSUMERS, we live in this world of CONSUMERISM and I am not too fond of it. The lagest problem for the UK is the DISPARITY between the poorest workers and the wealthiest workers. The largest problem for the WORLD is over and growing POPULATION!! Couldn't agree more, Bormes, about inequality in the UKE system. This is what happens when successive Westminster governments cave in to global conglomerates and conspire to allow them to evade tax while paying poverty wages.Meanwhile everyone who pays regular taxes is subsidising the greedy. There are many more unemployed than there are jobs available. I want Scottish independence because I believe a Scottish government is best placed to stand up for the Scottish people and to respond to local issues where investment's required in our industries and in our workforce. Not to mention endorsing free higher education, free prescriptions and free elderly care. It's about how we want our society to be and ours, here in Scotland, needs to be more equitable with equality of opportunity so that we can ALL be the best we can be. <steps off soapbox> Not just Westminster governments virtually every government throughout the world that wants to attract Multu-nationals. These bastards have no social conscience. So back to Square one and no point in repeating it EXCEPT Where d'ya get da moula??? PS Having said that New Zealand can do it with a smaller population than you and no oil though they do have marvelous neighbours . Politically they are centre right. I think the Kiwis are the most pragmatic people in the world!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 19:35:13 GMT -1
Alrighty. Some serious stuff going on here again, and by that I mean UKE, not just Scotland politics. It seems that Jeremy Corbyn might just get elected to the leadership of the Labour Party. He's an old school socialist. And boy, are his "Red Tory" colleagues terrified that he's gaining significant ground with Labour voters. It hardly comes as a surprise to us in Scotland that the mainstream media--and the Tory and Labour party machines--are demonising him, just as they did the YES movement. They are truly out of control in their attacks, just as they were last year on IndyRef. That'll be because they're running scared. The Scots've aye been onto them and now--FINALLY--our neighbours over the border are starting to wake up. I hope he wins. His values are v similar to that of the SNP: invest in NHS, free tuition fees, anti-Trident and most of all, the fair redistribution of wealth. Sounds good to me. Well now, three weeks later and it looks very much like Jeremy Corbyn is WAY out in the lead for the Labour Party leadership. Folks have been turning out in their thousands for his public meetings (sometimes 3 per day) and boy are the establishment in a TOTAL PADDY! Truly awful attacks in the press. It occurs to me it's a mirror image of what happened in Scotland the last couple of years: people awakening and getting actively involved in politics. A whole lot of people south of the border are now beginning to understand what happened here in Scotland and how the establishment and their task masters in the press joined together to fight off a perceived threat to the out-of-date politics of the two main parties. Add to this the recent announcement of 46 new Peers to the House of Lords: so many are *failed* politicians who were roundly rejected at the ballot box earlier this year in the UK General Election. Yet now *rewarded* by £300 a day for life, at taxpayer cost. No wonder people are (rightly) angry. I hope Corbyn is elected, it will be part of a HUGE shake-up of UK politics that represents what ordinary folks want. For far too long, the two main parties have been complacent--and distant--in the ivory tower that's Westminster. Bring it on, I say
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Post by ozneil on Aug 30, 2015 20:44:04 GMT -1
havent been following the shenanigans but according to headlines here, all I read about it, he is certainly getting a bad press and his views seem to be anachronistic left which have failed everywhere in world. I wonder why he would be any different from the rest IF reports are true. Seems to me same as Greeks voting for anti austerity without being able to finance it.
You are living in interesting times!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 21:13:34 GMT -1
Is it not more about the saner, kinder policy of reviewing public expenditure in a gentler, more long-term way than the utterly swingeing cuts proposed by the UK Tories?
I believe the majority of UK people have woken up and thought about the fairer redistribution of wealth--and indeed the huge debt caused by a few that they're tasked with paying for.
Western capitalist governments, such as UK's, bang on about how to manage debt and how we're *all in it together*, yet the UK was never so indebted as we were in the 40s and 50s due to WW2. Our *debt* now is a drop in the ocean comparatively. And only the ordinary person is paying for it. The rich are immune and getting richer by the second.
The rise of SNP and Jeremy Corbyn PROVE that people are finally starting to think for themselves and imagine the society we want to live in.
If such public opinion drives a few rich folks out to tax havens or god forbid, third world countries, where they can continue to cheat and pay no taxes, then fine, mind the door doesn't slap you on the ass on your way out...
We have PLENTY wealth-creators here in Scotland who have a social conscience and re-invest to everyone's benefit. Same happens in France, and all over Scandinavia.
It's about quality of life for all, not just the privileged few.
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Post by ozneil on Aug 30, 2015 23:11:11 GMT -1
Interesting, I know nothing about Jeremy or indeed UK politics.
Good luck to your aspirations
They tell us here if Jeremy wins leadership of UK Labour it will ensure a Tory win at next election.
How many mega rich avoid taxation? I bet its less than 1% of population and how much tax do they avoid paying? Probably a drop in the ocean. I bet its just another scapegoat that could cure all ills. Sure they should pay taxon $$ earned in UK.
Interesting scenario that.
I worked on a big Australian owned chemical plant in SE England in a reporting capacity. My fees were paid by their UK office. Should I have paid UK tax on them even though most of the work was done in Oz and I flew QANTAS? I was in UK 4 or 5 days at a time every 3 or 4 months over a period of about 2 years.
Now multi national companies is a whole other ball game!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 23:48:39 GMT -1
Interesting, I know nothing about Jeremy or indeed UK politics. Good luck to your aspirations They tell us here if Jeremy wins leadership of UK Labour it will ensure a Tory win at next election. Yes, that's the line here as well. Labour Party are turning on their own roots now and saying that electing JC will make them unelectable nationally in the next General Election. I believe they are wrong about that. There's geographic issues to consider. The vast majority of voters are concentrated in the South/South East of the UK, in a per capita way. Many of them not seeing the same level of inequality as points further north, well pretty much anywhere north of Watford, to be honest. It's also true that *some* in the South/South East are, shall we say, having issues with migration because so many new arrivals are concentrated in that area rather than being more equitably received in other parts of the UK. And hence are perhaps more likely to vote Tory or even MORE likely, the extreme right UKIP. I personally believe that a Corbyn win will be a good thing. The Labour party here lost their way two decades ago and forgot what they were about. And have subsequently provided little or no opposition to Tory policies. The two parties are hard to tell apart now. Could Corbyn be a credible Prime Minister? Well, compared to who, exactly? I think the two main parties are desperately on the back foot but still, even yet, underestimating the public's intelligence. Good luck to him I say. I like the cut of his jib.
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Post by ozneil on Aug 31, 2015 0:51:15 GMT -1
Yeah I reckon both parties need a bloody good kicking to wake them up.
You havent had a decent PM for Yonks. Its terrible to see a once great country like the UK being ridiculed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 18:27:46 GMT -1
Yeah I reckon both parties need a bloody good kicking to wake them up. You havent had a decent PM for Yonks. Its terrible to see a once great country like the UK being ridiculed LIKEWISE!
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Post by ozneil on Sept 12, 2015 22:40:59 GMT -1
YE Gods!!Did they breath test the voters?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 23:48:28 GMT -1
So. 60% voted Corbyn as Labour Party leader today. I'd say that's fairly decisive! It's actually pretty wonderful seeing the Red Tories scurrying for cover tonight, they've been FOUND OUT, finally. Cue predictions of world disaster on most front pages tomorrow. BOY, is the cosy little Westminster establishment rattled! They don't like it up 'em... I 100% welcome Corbyn's election, unsurprisingly. A decent man, a politician who stands up for his beliefs, a compassionate and humane guy who is also well-educated, erudite and principled, who has won a landslide victory today. Damn good that England now has an alternative to the hideous, brutal Tory government and the UKIP knuckle draggers on the far right. Scotland, Wales and Ireland have more in common with Corbyn's labour party and will vote down Tory policy accordingly. And that was the Tories thinking they'd coast through the next five years virtually unchallenged. LOL, haha, NOT.
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Post by ozneil on Sept 13, 2015 2:26:51 GMT -1
yeah 60% of 450,000 = 270,000 out of a population of 60,000,000 overwhelming majority isnt it
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