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Post by ozneil on Sept 13, 2015 20:13:00 GMT -1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 18:12:51 GMT -1
yeah 60% of 450,000 = 270,000 out of a population of 60,000,000 overwhelming majority isnt it Oh for heavens sake 60% of Labour Party MEMBERS voted Corbyn, the remaining 40% of party member votes were split between three other candidates. I'd say that's a reasonable indication that left-leaning Labour VOTERS as opposed to party members may also be inclined to vote Labour in a General Election. Unfortunately there isn't going to be one for another 4 and half years. But it's good to know the Tories and UKIP are terrified out of their wits and realise they now have some VERY SERIOUS OPPOSITION in the house and further afield.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 18:16:09 GMT -1
I see the more intelligent Australians (if that's not a contradiction in terms) have seen the light and removed Tony Abbott as Prime Minister. What do you reckon to his replacement, Oz?
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Post by ozneil on Sept 14, 2015 19:31:30 GMT -1
Oh for heavens sake 60% of Labour Party MEMBERS voted Corbyn, the remaining 40% of party member votes were split between three other candidates. I'd say that's a reasonable indication that left-leaning Labour VOTERS as opposed to party members may also be inclined to vote Labour in a General Election. Unfortunately there isn't going to be one for another 4 and half years. But it's good to know the Tories and UKIP are terrified out of their wits and realise they now have some VERY SERIOUS OPPOSITION in the house and further afield. gee you mean to tell me the labour party has only 470,000 members wow If he wakes up the Tories he will have done good.
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Post by ozneil on Sept 14, 2015 19:47:31 GMT -1
I see the more intelligent Australians (if that's not a contradiction in terms) have seen the light and removed Tony Abbott as Prime Minister. What do you reckon to his replacement, Oz? Tony was good except he ran off at mouth to quickly. He accomplished a lot and is dead straight. In short a good man that sometimes acts without thinking things through. I dont trust Turnbull I dont trust anyone who tries so hard to be popular but I have an open mind on him and we shall see. There is no doubt however he was competent at everything he set out to do (lawyer, journalist, merchant banker etc) his ancestors were rievers from the Scottish side of the border. That says a lot for his character. He has a very good team I would rather have seen Julie Bishop (foreign sec) or Scott Morrison (Welfare)as PM. People like Andrew Robb (trade) and Barnaby Joyce (customs , The guy who told Johny Depp to take his dogs out of Oz in no uncertain terms) are excellent back up people
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Post by notanimby on Sept 14, 2015 20:31:04 GMT -1
I see the more intelligent Australians (if that's not a contradiction in terms) have seen the light and removed Tony Abbott as Prime Minister. What do you reckon to his replacement, Oz? Tony was good except he ran off at mouth to quickly. He accomplished a lot and is dead straight. In short a good man that sometimes acts without thinking things through. I dont trust Turnbull I dont trust anyone who tries so hard to be popular but I have an open mind on him and we shall see. There is no doubt however he was competent at everything he set out to do (lawyer, journalist, merchant banker etc) his ancestors were rievers from the Scottish side of the border. That says a lot for his character. He has a very good team I would rather have seen Julie Bishop (foreign sec) or Scott Morrison (Welfare)as PM. People like Andrew Robb (trade) and Barnaby Joyce (customs , The guy who told Johny Depp to take his dogs out of Oz in no uncertain terms) are excellent back up people Ha ha ha, Abbott was a twat, who couldn't find his erse war a map, About as much use as a chocolate fire guard , I remember pointing out to you when he was elected that he wouldn't last, to many sounbites, name substance and to wrapped up in aff shore concentration camps, for the non-whites Given his loony religious views, no doubt it's God s plan that he got fucked over by a bunch just slightly mere sentient than himself, disease say much does it? Arch we'll never mind, there'll be another prime minister along shortly for us to laugh at again.... Bet you Phil the Greek is devastated, efter getting a new knighthood courtesy of abbot's brown-nosing, just what he needed as well
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Post by ozneil on Sept 14, 2015 21:10:13 GMT -1
Ha ha ha, Abbott was a twat, who couldn't find his erse war a map, About as much use as a chocolate fire guard , I remember pointing out to you when he was elected that he wouldn't last, to many sounbites, name substance and to wrapped up in aff shore concentration camps, for the non-whites Given his loony religious views, no doubt it's God s plan that he got fucked over by a bunch just slightly mere sentient than himself, disease say much does it? Arch we'll never mind, there'll be another prime minister along shortly for us to laugh at again.... Bet you Phil the Greek is devastated, efter getting a new knighthood courtesy of abbot's brown-nosing, just what he needed as well hark the voice of the ill-informed
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 21:57:43 GMT -1
Oz'll know best how the loss of Abbott'll be felt (or not) over by...but it's fair comment that Abbott's been ridiculed since Day One by most reasonable commentators here as being perhaps not the sharpest knife in the drawer. OK I mean thick-despite his expensive education in England or very possibly because of it... Personally I welcome the lightbulb moment the Aus government's had this week over taking a few thousand extra refugees. Abbott's policy to turn back the boats already in transit was, to me, just brutal and cruel. Not only on the souls on the boats, but also on the RAN folks who had to enforce it. I seriously doubt any of our Aussie pals, if faced with souls struggling ashore on any coast would have turned their backs and not helped. So yeah, there's HUGE political change going on not only in Scotland, but now also the UKE, and amazingly! the US--given the upsurge in popular support for Bernie Sanders as Democratic Presidential candidate. It's not a coincidence. I think we've all woken up to the fact that politicians exist to serve the public and not the other way around. Bring it on.
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Post by ozneil on Sept 15, 2015 0:14:33 GMT -1
yes Abbot has been ridiculed generally by left wing commentators who are desperately trying to denigrate him to try and hide the previous government's ineptitude and their own governments failures. mind you to be fair it was labour that managed to run up a $267 Billion debt in 6 years starting with a $90billion surplus
A few things he has done
Stopped the boats which he was told was impossible. Mind you only 20 boats tried to bring illegal migrants here since he was voted in (about 20 a week before he came to power) they knew they wouldnt succeed. The ones turned back were given fuel, food and water. The passengers checked for health before being escorted to within 12 miles of Indonesia, the limit to which RAN vessels can go. If the boats were unseaworthy they were either repaired or in extreme cases provided with a seaworthy boat. The Navy no longer have to risk their lives rescuing them and pulling dead bodies out of the sea.
Illegal Migrants can leave the holding centres any time they wish to and go where they want or able to go, we even pay airfares. Most have returned to their home land and some to third countries. They will not be granted resident's visa here.
(If you believe the illegals' stories I have a beautiful Opera House for sale at a bargain price)
Take more genuine refugees per capita than most other countries including US & UK (we are currently 3rd in world) have just added an additional 12,000... Its not about space, that shows pure ignorance of Oz, its about infrastructure
Revamped Welfare payment to ensure needy get more money.
Killed off "Carbon Tax" saving average family over $500 pa in electricity with more savings in fuel, food and transport.
Killed mining tax, cost more to administer than it collected another brilliant labour stratagem
Reduced deficit by $50 billion
Successfully negotiated Free Trade deals with Japan, USA & China, Farmers and miners love them (major exporters). These are in addition to the ones already in force.
Not bad for 18 months in government
Sure he has made a few minor blunders which the lefties beat up out of all proportion. Anything to make him look bad and the make failed Labor government appear not so bad. He is the victim of well organised smear campaigns.
PS Abbot was a Rhodes Scholar and that requires exceptional intellect
PPS missede out Korea Free Trade Agreement
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Post by ozneil on Sept 15, 2015 23:04:04 GMT -1
Our new PM drives a Fiat 500
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 19:40:17 GMT -1
A few things he has done
Stopped the boats which he was told was impossible. Mind you only 20 boats tried to bring illegal migrants here since he was voted in (about 20 a week before he came to power) they knew they wouldnt succeed. The ones turned back were given fuel, food and water. The passengers checked for health before being escorted to within 12 miles of Indonesia, the limit to which RAN vessels can go. If the boats were unseaworthy they were either repaired or in extreme cases provided with a seaworthy boat. The Navy no longer have to risk their lives rescuing them and pulling dead bodies out of the sea.
Illegal Migrants can leave the holding centres any time they wish to and go where they want or able to go, we even pay airfares. Most have returned to their home land and some to third countries. They will not be granted resident's visa here.
Well it's good to know that boat-people were granted temporary help, I grant you. Before they were dumped ---or should I say delegated---into the care of a third world country.
So now all good Australians can sleep in their beds at night knowing that desperate souls won't trouble their coastline or indeed their very wealthy towns and cities. Someone else's problem, eh?
Oh remind me...what percentage of Australians immigrated since say, 200 years back? Talk about pulling the ladder up behind you! All people want is to better their living standards for them and their families. But of course only if they form an orderly queue.
Come on, Oz. Just wondering if there's been any polls of ordinary folks there over the refugee question. Did the majority agree with Abbott's policies or what?
Genuine question.
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Post by ozneil on Sept 18, 2015 21:50:48 GMT -1
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OK here we go nice and slowly
First a correction I did not say third world country I said Third as in third party The diehards have refused this offer so they are stuck in Narau or Manus Island. The numbers of illegals in these camps is dwindling
Most of the population are pro-refugee as I said previously we are 3rd in the table of number of refugees taken in per head of population Number is limited by capability of infrastructure. We take our refugees from the main refugee camps where they are real refugees not economic migrants who have paid up to AU$10,000, not an inconsiderable sum, to people smugglers. The ones in camps have a greater need in our opinion. We do not like queue jumpers, we prefer helping the ones in UN refugee camps. The people are chosen by UNHCR, we think its fairer to help the most desperate first.
If the people you are going on about are genuine refugees let them apply along with the others and be assessed on need.
Major part of Abbot's election platform was "Stop the Boats" He got in with an overwhelming majority and decimated labor ( the other main one was killing the Carbon Tax)
We have seen what unfettered immigration has done to parts of Europe including England... no attempt by migrants to assimilate.
Most of our population is migrants going back to 1788 (or if you want to be pedantic 30,000 years) but to compare that with the situation now is plain silly. Its false logic like saying a cow has a tail therefore all animals with tails are cows.
When Philips arrived in 1788 the country was very sparsely populated by small tribes of Hunter Gatherers constantly bickering. Bennelong the local chief who befriended the Brits and visited England and met the King was subsequently speared to death in an inter-clan squabble out Penrith way. I digress.The aborigines have pretty well assimilated into the general community not at all bad in 7 generations and most if not all would rather go down to Coles Supermarket to get tucker rather than go out hunting a goanna or a roo which they may or may not find. In other words the Brit settlement improved the Aborigines lot as well as their life span.... there is still a ways to go.
The current wave of illegals do not assimilate with the majority who did get residence, before labor tried to tighten rules, still being unemployed
Remind me who first demanded entry visa between UK & OZ
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 19:29:26 GMT -1
Australian politics are strange, you've now had what, 5 Prime Ministers in as many years? Might seem that you guys are so divided you don't know what/who you want. It does seem from reading a wide selection of reports here that Abbott wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer and that his harsh policy on turning back the boats has come home to roost. Not that we can brag. Apparently our prime minister's not averse to some bad behaviour of his own. And I don't mean The Pig Thing either...
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Post by ozneil on Sept 22, 2015 22:31:14 GMT -1
Australian politics are strange, you've now had what, 5 Prime Ministers in as many years? Might seem that you guys are so divided you don't know what/who you want. It does seem from reading a wide selection of reports here that Abbott wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer and that his harsh policy on turning back the boats has come home to roost. Not that we can brag. Apparently our prime minister's not averse to some bad behaviour of his own. And I don't mean The Pig Thing either... Yeah we are going through a bad period at moment PM Howard pre the present fiasco was there for 12 years. Trouble is we dont have an outstanding leader at the moment Rudd and Gillard were both absolute disasters with a cabinet of incompetents. Abbot is very bright unfortunately he has an awkward manner and some bloody stupid ideas but generally he was doing good for the country despite an extremely hostile Senate which hamstrung a lot of his proposals to get country back on its feet We will see how Turnbull goes personally I dont trust him but we will see. (fingers crossed). Hes gorra be better than Shorten. Hell the drover's dog would be better than Shorten It was the boat policy, along with general incompetence, that really buggered labour and got the Libs in. Labour now agrees with it, stopping the boats, and supports it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 21:37:23 GMT -1
Is there general support amongst the Australian folks for the harsh refugee policy?
Or have they too been terrorised by your media into fearing for their own wee stake in a country of what, 20 million, thats the size of North America?
NIMBYs?
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