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Post by ozneil on Nov 28, 2013 1:32:09 GMT -1
Thats all very well. Thats what happened when you joined EU but it doesnt alter the cliche that the poor get poorer This is partly caused by the influx of unskilled migrants desperate for jobs and prepared to work for very low wages.
Am I correct in the assumption they will wok for very low wages or can I just expect another political speech on the evils of Blair & Cameron?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 1:34:19 GMT -1
In fairness nota, Bliar told us there would only be ten to fifteen thousand East Europeans the last time and there was hundreds of thousands, personally I am of the opinion from meeting many that you are quite correct about the work ethic of many of them and I employed some at above the average wage plus their tips at the time I was running the Pub and Restaurant. However my concern is more about the HUGE influx of people who will NOT mix nor integrate and they are the Islamic community and there is no more hiding behind PC. People that this is not a problem. Regrading this post about the difference between rich and poor, I am surprised at OZ's comment as I did not think the gap should be whether one is skilled or not? I thought one tried to bring up one's standard of living in the country one lived in and that was for EVERYONE in the country regardless of where on the scale one earned a living? Some might say the UKE would grind to a halt without our migrant workers. And I'd agree. Nota's all too correct in his view that some UKE citizens see certain jobs as being beneath them. Harsh, but true. And I'm totally with you, Bormes, on the work ethic and that we work together to raise EVERYONE's standard of living. It's not--and can't be allowed to be--just the preserve of the so-called skilled. We ALL have a role to play, whether being streetsweepers, carers, lawyers, doctors, childminders, you name it. Mutual respect for a job well done is paramount, that way we all get to live a better life.
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Post by ozneil on Nov 28, 2013 1:46:58 GMT -1
to come off richer and poorer for a sec.
You can only raise EVERYONES standard if living by increasing your country's wealth and that can only be done by exports whether real, intellectual or by innovation.
You raise "standard of living" artificially (more taxation) you will price yourself out of market and real standard of living will fall.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 2:05:00 GMT -1
to come off richer and poorer for a sec. You can only raise EVERYONES standard if living by increasing your country's wealth and that can only be done by exports whether real, intellectual or by innovation. You raise "standard of living" artificially (more taxation) you will price yourself out of market and real standard of living will fall. We're hardly slouches when it comes to exporting our real, intellectual and innovative riches, Oz. I'd add though, that we CAN aspire to raise everyone's standard of living by taking ownership of our single biggest natural asset. The setting up of an oil fund, via the Norwegian model, will help us provide decent services to everyone who lives and works in Scotland. In reclaiming our oil and gas fields, Scotland will be the 8th richest country in the world, by OECD calculations. And our wealth WILL be far more fairly distributed amongst our people. We are SICK and TIRED of the extreme capitalist ethic, (the me me me society), it's just not the way we DO things here. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by ozneil on Nov 28, 2013 2:16:26 GMT -1
Of course, but there are quite a few "IFs" I believe
But still good luck
I was merely re-iterating that you had the ability to suck eggs.
You live in interesting times.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 2:49:45 GMT -1
Yes, you're right, there ARE a few 'IFs' There are also a thousand more uncertainties in staying in the Union. Personally, I don't believe for one millisecond that the Scots are too wee, too stupid and too scared to manage our own affairs, as the No Campaign would have it. Ask yourself, if we Scots are such a burden on the UKE as goes the popular myth that we're subsidised by English taxpayers, WHY are they SO darned desperate to keep us in the Union? Answers on a postcard....
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Post by bormes on Nov 28, 2013 10:57:16 GMT -1
The UK has with all the stealth taxes one of the highest taxed countries in the world. The UK on oil and gas alone spreads the rewards of this amongst 62 Million people. The Scottish oil and gas being spent on only 5 Million people will give a much better spread. I do not think we need to go into all the bumf we get from Westminster bluster to realise that is just the truth. Even apart from the oil and gas, I personally have always wanted to have a Scottish run country by Scots and not be a belligerent UK. As OZ rightly pointed out, interesting things ahead and not just for us, the USA is moving so much of her defensive capabilities down to OZ and environs that they see Europe as a dead dog and the new markets will be in other spheres of the world and they will protect OZ now the way they used to protect Europe, interesting times ahead!,
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Post by bormes on Nov 28, 2013 11:00:24 GMT -1
Met a wee Red Headed Lassie last night in the Chip, she was looking well and had sung at a do in honour of Big George and she had just been to a book launch. She was asking for you Rolo and we had a wee Dram and a toast to the wee Forum, she has been remiss in not posting much recently but will no doubt be back soon!!
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Post by ozneil on Nov 28, 2013 19:15:35 GMT -1
Yes Bormes US Marines will be based in Darwin on rotation. They will be here to be taught jungle warfare by real experts our Northern Defence Force (NDF) which is mostly composed of Aborigines who live in the area
First time we have had US troops based here since WW2. Used to get a lot on R & R from Vietnam
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 19:56:59 GMT -1
Met a wee Red Headed Lassie last night in the Chip, she was looking well and had sung at a do in honour of Big George and she had just been to a book launch. She was asking for you Rolo and we had a wee Dram and a toast to the wee Forum, she has been remiss in not posting much recently but will no doubt be back soon!! Cool! She's a fine pair of lungs on her, has Westie ;D Hope to catch up with her soon..
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Post by notanimby on Nov 30, 2013 18:18:31 GMT -1
I have read that the gap between the rich and the poor is at an all time high? If this is true then the last twenty odd years have taught our leaders nothing as big business seems to rule and everything is for the highest profit. Au contraire B, the last twenty years have taught our "leaders " how to get away with it
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Post by notanimby on Nov 30, 2013 18:19:55 GMT -1
The UK has with all the stealth taxes one of the highest taxed countries in the world.The UK on oil and gas alone spreads the rewards of this amongst 62 Million people. The Scottish oil and gas being spent on only 5 Million people will give a much better spread. I do not think we need to go into all the bumf we get from Westminster bluster to realise that is just the truth. Even apart from the oil and gas, I personally have always wanted to have a Scottish run country by Scots and not be a belligerent UK. As OZ rightly pointed out, interesting things ahead and not just for us, the USA is moving so much of her defensive capabilities down to OZ and environs that they see Europe as a dead dog and the new markets will be in other spheres of the world and they will protect OZ now the way they used to protect Europe, interesting times ahead!, Exactly - even under that bitch Thatcher "stealth" taxes actually increased - so much so that he tax burden had increased to over 50% at the time
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Post by ozneil on Nov 30, 2013 19:44:27 GMT -1
Remind us again Nota of what were the tax rates were under Wilson & Callaghan. A real couple of duds. He an Callaghan (ably assisted by Heath) really fucked up UK.
Mind you I owe Wilson, he was the guy that finally persuaded me to come home
PS Remember the endless strikes under that pair that , with their ineptitude buggered up the UK economy
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Post by notanimby on Nov 30, 2013 20:02:17 GMT -1
Remind us again Nota of what were the tax rates were under Wilson & Callaghan. A real couple of duds. He an Callaghan (ably assisted by Heath) really fucked up UK. Mind you I owe Wilson, he was the guy that finally persuaded me to come home Higher direct taxation, but much less indirect taxation. But under the three you mentioned they never ever stated they were lowering taxation, unlike the Thatcher bitch who did. It's also been in the media today that the thatcher bitch and her fukwitted brood have been hiding stuff offshore in tax avoiding countries. If she was so good at lowering axes, why would she do that? Ding dong................. Personally I don't have a problem in paying taxes, I don't indulge in off-shore tax avoidance, despite having the opperchancity. I'd much rather the taxes were direct too, saves fuckers like Thatcher trying to rip the shite out of us by not just lying but thinking we're stupid enough to believe her. Off shore tax avoidance should be a criminal offence, you want to live or work here, you pay taxes here, either that or they can fuck off, people like that we can do without.
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Post by ozneil on Nov 30, 2013 20:05:17 GMT -1
Typical avoid the question for another political tirade
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