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Post by bormes on Jun 14, 2014 17:54:35 GMT -1
Much as I dislike bullying large Multi nationals and governments. I would NOT strike during a national holiday nor an event like this as I am part of the ordinary people who work daily, NOT an owner of a conglomerate or the child of such then one would not need to work perhaps. I would rather take my argument to the owner after holiday or whatever and it would gain more public support. After all even after a strike and an increase it is the government who OVERTAXES us that's the real problem!!
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Post by notanimby on Jun 14, 2014 19:46:35 GMT -1
Much as I dislike bullying large Multi nationals and governments. I would NOT strike during a national holiday nor an event like this as I am part of the ordinary people who work daily, NOT an owner of a conglomerate or the child of such then one would not need to work perhaps. I would rather take my argument to the owner after holiday or whatever and it would gain more public support. After all even after a strike and an increase it is the government who OVERTAXES us that's the real problem!! The problem is though, according to the article, is that these talks have been ongoing for a long time. With no resolution in sight, the course of action open to the mployees is withdrawal of their labour. Personally speaking I would go or a "work to rule" . This has he greater capacity to well screw up the employers in question, who like many, many employers, expect flexibility, contract wise, from their employees in order to function as expected. Working to rule ( working as per their contract stipulates) will seriously affect this flexibility - this could mean no overtime, no extraneous shift work, no providing cover or holidays, sickness or other absences.paying special attention to HSE, working time directives is another guaranteed winner.
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Post by ozneil on Jun 14, 2014 21:13:55 GMT -1
Equally it could be said Employers are inciting strike action before the games. Wont do games much good or make a good impression on the 1,000s of overseas visitors from countries you will need to impress to export goods to after independence. Self interest ahead of national interest It takes two to tango......... The employers are not implementing a lock out Unions are threatening to withdraw labour. Apparently these disputes have been going on for ages would it not be more prudent to postpone strike action till after the Commonwealth Games? I do not think that the threat of strike action at this time is coincidental.It is either a crude attempt at blackmail or a deliberate attempt to disrupt the games for political gain. These Games showcase Glasgow and to a lesser extent Scotland to the world. Your Pollies are claiming a skilled enthusiastic work force yet if these guys strike at this time it shows Glasgow and Scotland up in a very bad light as still a strike prone nation. not to be relied on. One of the first things you, as a nation, should do on achieving independence is implement an Arbitration Court, with teeth, to sort out industrial disputes. However I bet no political party has the guts to do so. PS To my mind its the height of utter stupidity to strike at this time. It may fuck up the bosses but its the workers and and country that will suffer. Completely short sighted
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Post by ozneil on Jun 14, 2014 21:44:49 GMT -1
What does surprise me is the attitude of the Commentors in the Herald on that article.
Dont you want the games?
We all had a ball at the "SynneyLimpics" really let our hair down. Had a 10 day party. We really impressed the visitors to such an extent that tourist figures were up for years. Sydney was known as and still is known as a safe, happy, friendly place to visit.
You CAN do the same
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 22:18:33 GMT -1
What's actually happening, Oz, is that people are being expected to work longer hours over the Games with less pay. Obviously we're gonna need more trains, buses and tube trains running to take care of our visitors. But you have to pay people properly in return. The transport companies will get more revenue via fares so what's the problem with paying essential workers for their extra time? Que? My team are all going to be on overtime as we're involved in receptions, parties and concerts at City Halls. But we're also expected to staff our normal daily duties as well. I wouldn't for one millisecond expect my team to put in the extra hours over the three weeks without recompense. So why transport bosses expect their teams to is just beyond me. They can't be that daft that they don't recognise that a happy, adequately rewarded workforce is the basis of their operations.
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Post by ozneil on Jun 14, 2014 23:00:24 GMT -1
What's actually happening, Oz, is that people are being expected to work longer hours over the Games with less pay. Obviously we're gonna need more trains, buses and tube trains running to take care of our visitors. But you have to pay people properly in return. The transport companies will get more revenue via fares so what's the problem with paying essential workers for their extra time? Que? My team are all going to be on overtime as we're involved in receptions, parties and concerts at City Halls. But we're also expected to staff our normal daily duties as well. I wouldn't for one millisecond expect my team to put in the extra hours over the three weeks without recompense. So why transport bosses expect their teams to is just beyond me. They can't be that daft that they don't recognise that a happy, adequately rewarded workforce is the basis of their operations. Mmm sounds thought they couldnt organise a chook raffle in a telephone box. Still gives a bad impression of Glasgow. God knows how many hours I worked without any pay but it was great fun
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 23:40:36 GMT -1
If I was visiting Oz for a special event where the city fathers and government were pouring billions into hosting the event I would wonder why certain workers were threatening to strike.
I!d likely conclude that they were being take total advantage of and that they might just have a point. It certainly wouldn't stop me visiting nor would it give me a bad impression of Sydney. If anything the workers being expected to do more for less would have my respect.
But call me old-fashioned.
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Post by ozneil on Jun 15, 2014 0:25:04 GMT -1
If I was visiting Oz for a special event where the city fathers and government were pouring billions into hosting the event I would wonder why certain workers were threatening to strike. I!d likely conclude that they were being take total advantage of and that they might just have a point. It certainly wouldn't stop me visiting nor would it give me a bad impression of Sydney. If anything the workers being expected to do more for less would have my respect. But call me old-fashioned. Exactly !!!!! But if I were a business man I would wonder why such a situation was allowed to evolve and perhaps have reservations about putting business to that city/country where industrial relations are suspect. It gives a bad impression and you have GOT to give a good impression. The blame doesnt enter in to it as far as overseas business people are concerned its the ability to perform that matter.s BOTH management and unions have to be seen to be competent. A strike at this time shows lack of competence and reliabilty I was unfair using Sydney as an example we are a very different people from the Scots with a very different attitude to life. No better no worse just different.
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Post by notanimby on Jun 15, 2014 5:40:17 GMT -1
Equally it could be said Employers are inciting strike action before the games. Wont do games much good or make a good impression on the 1,000s of overseas visitors from countries you will need to impress to export goods to after independence. Self interest ahead of national interest It takes two to tango......... The employers are not implementing a lock out Unions are threatening to withdraw labour. Apparently these disputes have been going on for ages would it not be more prudent to postpone strike action till after the Commonwealth Games? I do not think that the threat of strike action at this time is coincidental.It is either a crude attempt at blackmail or a deliberate attempt to disrupt the games for political gain. These Games showcase Glasgow and to a lesser extent Scotland to the world. Your Pollies are claiming a skilled enthusiastic work force yet if these guys strike at this time it shows Glasgow and Scotland up in a very bad light as still a strike prone nation. not to be relied on. One of the first things you, as a nation, should do on achieving independence is implement an Arbitration Court, with teeth, to sort out industrial disputes. However I bet no political party has the guts to do so. PS To my mind its the height of utter stupidity to strike at this time. It may fuck up the bosses but its the workers and and country that will suffer. Completely short sighted I see it as a, for want of a better pair of words, a constructed lock-out - trying to attack the consciences of the workers into not taking industrial action. Think teh article mentions the rewards or lack of them a few times -well apart from getting to leave early at xmas and the fact that they have been ongoing for some considerable time. I don't know if you subscribe to The Herald or not, if you do and can search out previous articles on the Games from the past few weeks ( and before) you'll notice a high level of resentment to the games is in evidence - not just on the money being spent, but on the fact that ordinary citizens have been evicted from their homes for a pittance in recompense, whilst businesses have been raking in a fortune in compo ( the fact that these businesses are associated with LIEBOOR and the coonsil are totally coincidental) In teh past couple of weeks very high fences and barriers are being put up along streets and local people being barred from leaving their homes or barred from re-entering them until very late at night - with no advance warning this was going to happen. Never mind teh blowing teh high flats up fiasco, people are getting well pissed off, for being treated like shite
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Post by ozneil on Jun 15, 2014 8:51:15 GMT -1
No I dont subscribe to the Herald. They want money and too much Scots in me to pay it. I see the thing as a "furrinur" and would have expected to see the whole country to be pulling together to make the thing a fantastic showcase for Scotland. This does not seem to be the case . I think that is most unfortunate and to the detriment of a future independent Scotland. I dont know enough to play the blame game. When we got the "Synnnylimpix" The whole state went mad (about 6 million of us) and we all did our bit to make it work. I think we succeeded but it was a combined effort. It was taken away from politicians and put into the hands of a committee of, for once, real experts. It seems a rather different kettle of fish in Glasgow BTW the guy who was in charge of opening ceremony also "did" Seoul and Barcelona
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Post by notanimby on Jun 15, 2014 11:54:34 GMT -1
No I dont subscribe to the Herald. They want money and too much Scots in me to pay it. I see the thing as a "furrinur" and would have expected to see the whole country to be pulling together to make the thing a fantastic showcase for Scotland. This does not seem to be the case . I think that is most unfortunate and to the detriment of a future independent Scotland. I dont know enough to play the blame game. When we got the "Synnnylimpix" The whole state went mad (about 6 million of us) and we all did our bit to make it work. I think we succeeded but it was a combined effort. It was taken away from politicians and put into the hands of a committee of, for once, real experts. It seems a rather different kettle of fish in Glasgow BTW the guy who was in charge of opening ceremony also "did" Seoul and Barcelona Glasgow and organising things, Glasgow and providing "benefits" for its people are always a different kettle of fish - thats why there is a growing dis-enchantment with the Games - I ( on the outside looking in) don't see much to be inclusive about. Overblown amounts spent on apparently "world class" new sports facilities at the expense of more local facilities - but then again the local facilities arent all shiney shiney but merely functional.
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Post by ozneil on Jul 17, 2014 20:58:30 GMT -1
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Post by bormes on Jul 17, 2014 21:46:53 GMT -1
Outbreak of Novovirus in the athletes village. Chief said it was not, then had to back down and admit it, TWUNT.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 0:02:38 GMT -1
I don't think any of us gives a flying one who *wins* or not, OZ. That's how we roll here in Scotland. I think we kinda trust in ourselves: we don't really have anything to prove re our place in the world. We know ourselves very well in that regard and we can well afford to be uber-generous Success isn't always measured by prizes. Not here anyway
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Post by ozneil on Jul 18, 2014 2:20:28 GMT -1
I don't think any of us gives a flying one who *wins* or not, OZ. That's how we roll here in Scotland. I think we kinda trust in ourselves: we don't really have anything to prove re our place in the world. We know ourselves very well in that regard and we can well afford to be uber-generous Success isn't always measured by prizes. Not here anyway GEES read the bloody thing it was about us not you Talk about Scottish touchiness. It was taking the piss out of previous AUSTRALIAN games committees
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