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Post by bormes on Jun 22, 2011 6:44:40 GMT -1
Your Oz system seems fairer than ours and I have to say rolo is very accurate in her assesment of our system. It reminds me of other things in our society if like rolo and myself we complain we are vigorously shouted down as though we were right wing tories by the lefties. just the same if one complains about ethnic minorities( not so ethnic now in England, the Scot is now the ethnic minority down there !) one is suddenly not PC or a racist.
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Post by heidie on Jun 22, 2011 11:05:53 GMT -1
What puzzles me is wee alecs insistence that we need loadsa immigrints inty Scotland to "help the economy"!!!!!! With thousands upon thousands of Scots being unable or unwilling to find or do work should we not be prioritising our own folk??
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Post by bormes on Jun 22, 2011 15:38:20 GMT -1
In a word,,,,,,, YES !!
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Post by notanimby on Jun 22, 2011 17:34:24 GMT -1
What puzzles me is wee alecs insistence that we need loadsa immigrints inty Scotland to "help the economy"!!!!!! With thousands upon thousands of Scots being unable or unwilling to find or do work should we not be prioritising our own folk?? the immigrants we need are highly educated an dtrained folk - not teh sort of riff-raff we alraedy have of our own |
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Post by stan on Jun 22, 2011 17:44:42 GMT -1
What puzzles me is wee alecs insistence that we need loadsa immigrints inty Scotland to "help the economy"!!!!!! With thousands upon thousands of Scots being unable or unwilling to find or do work should we not be prioritising our own folk?? He knows that a larger reservoir of unskilled labour will allow wages for fairly menial jobs to be driven down. |
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Post by westender on Jun 22, 2011 17:56:10 GMT -1
What puzzles me is wee alecs insistence that we need loadsa immigrints inty Scotland to "help the economy"!!!!!! With thousands upon thousands of Scots being unable or unwilling to find or do work should we not be prioritising our own folk?? He knows that a larger reservoir of unskilled labour will allow wages for fairly menial jobs to be driven down. Evidence please. Salmond is not about to abandon the minimum wage and further penalise the poor. |
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Post by heidie on Jun 22, 2011 17:57:40 GMT -1
And why would these highly educated and trained immigrants,(assuming this statement is true)want to come here where jobs are thin on the ground?Driving wages down would hbe a bit self defeating as tax revenues would drop and tax incentives and benefits would hike the cost to the public purse? Seems like a lose lose situation tae me....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2011 18:59:32 GMT -1
What puzzles me is wee alecs insistence that we need loadsa immigrints inty Scotland to "help the economy"!!!!!! With thousands upon thousands of Scots being unable or unwilling to find or do work should we not be prioritising our own folk?? I suppose it depends who you mean by 'immigrants', Heidie ;D A great many of the Eastern Europeans who work here and send money home work in lesser paid jobs, like for example seasonal fruitpicking, factory work and other unskilled labour. Jobs that locals might turn down on account of they're no worse off signing on. When it comes to skilled tradesmen, I don't know anyone who's used Polish builders, tilers, plumbers, tailors, childcarers etc who has a bad word to say about their skill levels, the opposite in fact. One of the issues re skills is that since everybody in the UKE is now supposed to go to tertiary education, vocational training has lagged behind. Which is so short-sighted; we will always need tradespeople and those that are trained do rather well salary wise, as we all know. At the other end of the scale there's highly trained 'immigrants', many of whom work in the NHS and academia, just for two examples. These relatively highly paid people contribute a great deal in taxes, as do skilled tradespeople. By the way, Scottish unemployment is actually bucking the national trend and I don't believe it's because 'immigrants' are stealing 'our' jobs. Just out of interest, does anyone know in what fields Scottish unemployment is most prevalent? Is it skilled or unskilled jobs? |
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Post by notanimby on Jun 22, 2011 19:13:07 GMT -1
And why would these highly educated and trained immigrants,(assuming this statement is true)want to come here where jobs are thin on the ground?Driving wages down would hbe a bit self defeating as tax revenues would drop and tax incentives and benefits would hike the cost to the public purse? Seems like a lose lose situation tae me.... in ma field a shortage of work is definately non-existant -ther are plenty of jibs daein whut ah dae an dnot nearly enough folk tae dae them |
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Post by bormes on Jun 22, 2011 19:33:35 GMT -1
Well labour has systematically ruined Scottish education, so the standards are lower.
Immigrants come here to better themselves and of course if they can immediately send benefits back home as well as have a higher standard of wage here, you can not blame them for coming.
There are certainly an awful lot of drug dealers from somalia, Albania and Asia along with our own toads of course.
I would feel much better and I suspect many more people would agree if the people coming in here had a health check and a background, criminal check. Surely that is not too hard to ask for?
Remember it is the small minority that usually causes problems for the majority, so maybe if better checks were made on people coming in there would be less anger at them.
If people arrive with no chance of a background check, don't let them in, after all the nearest safe haven is where they are meant to stay, not come to benefit heaven.
Years ago Holland had the same problem as us with giving out big benefits easily, they learned a hard lesson, they are paying people to repatriate and that is even being fiddled by the erstwhile immigrants, taking the money to repatriate then getting more papers in a different guise and coming back again.
Very hard problem to solve.
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Post by stan on Jun 22, 2011 21:55:11 GMT -1
And why would these highly educated and trained immigrants,(assuming this statement is true)want to come here where jobs are thin on the ground?Driving wages down would hbe a bit self defeating as tax revenues would drop and tax incentives and benefits would hike the cost to the public purse? Seems like a lose lose situation tae me.... Income tax revenues do not accrue to Holyrood and unemployment benefits aren't paid by Holyrood. It's a win-win for Swinney. |
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Post by stan on Jun 22, 2011 21:56:27 GMT -1
And why would these highly educated and trained immigrants,(assuming this statement is true)want to come here where jobs are thin on the ground?Driving wages down would hbe a bit self defeating as tax revenues would drop and tax incentives and benefits would hike the cost to the public purse? Seems like a lose lose situation tae me.... in ma field a shortage of work is definately non-existant -ther are plenty of jibs daein whut ah dae an dnot nearly enough folk tae dae them "Can someone order up a few more monkeys, please!" |
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Post by ozneil on Jun 22, 2011 22:34:25 GMT -1
"Can someone order up a few more monkeys, please!" Why are you feeling lonely ;D |
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Post by westender on Jun 22, 2011 22:41:04 GMT -1
Income tax revenues do not accrue to Holyrood and unemployment benefits aren't paid by Holyrood. It's a win-win for Swinney. It'd be the same for any finance minister in the Scottish parliament. Clutching at straws as usual. |
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Post by notanimby on Jun 23, 2011 6:29:29 GMT -1
in ma field a shortage of work is definately non-existant -ther are plenty of jibs daein whut ah dae an dnot nearly enough folk tae dae them "Can someone order up a few more monkeys, please!" Why are yoo looking fur some more SCUM party candidates, yoo must have a few spare red rosettes going begging, efter ra humpin yoo took at the Holyrod elekshuns. We have a donkey as a SCUM party MSP in inverclyde will that dae yoo tae/ |
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