|
Post by ozneil on Mar 28, 2015 1:56:15 GMT -1
I am talking about the United Kingdom as far as I am aware Scotland is still an integral part of the UK.
Not loss of Empire, though though the Empire did more good than bad no matter what the socialists may try to tell you, but loss of an effective Commonwealth, buggered up by Messrs Wilson Heath and Callaghan. They gave away probably the greatest trading block the world had ever seen for what? Short term political gain and cheap wine. Most Commonwealth nations including India had great goodwill for the UK but the afore mentioned gents managed to f*ck that up. Now you say most of your trade is with EU. Of course it is the major Commonwealth countries now trade elsewhere.
We also send troops to fight in other peoples wars and you should be bloody glad we did!!!
Until Scotland becomes independent you are still part of UK and cannot be considered otherwise by foreign countries. When you get independence then we will re-assess relationships
About 15 million migrants from 1901 so what? We are still self sustaining I dont think UK can feed its self (not sure on that)
|
|
|
Post by ozneil on Mar 28, 2015 20:28:24 GMT -1
I'll bet out election result wasnt even mentioned in UK papers
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 21:41:48 GMT -1
I am talking about the United Kingdom as far as I am aware Scotland is still an integral part of the UK. Not loss of Empire, though though the Empire did more good than bad no matter what the socialists may try to tell you, but loss of an effective Commonwealth, buggered up by Messrs Wilson Heath and Callaghan. They gave away probably the greatest trading block the world had ever seen for what? Short term political gain and cheap wine. Most Commonwealth nations including India had great goodwill for the UK but the afore mentioned gents managed to f*ck that up. Now you say most of your trade is with EU. Of course it is the major Commonwealth countries now trade elsewhere. We also send troops to fight in other peoples wars and you should be bloody glad we did!!! Until Scotland becomes independent you are still part of UK and cannot be considered otherwise by foreign countries. When you get independence then we will re-assess relationships About 15 million migrants from 1901 so what? We are still self sustaining I dont think UK can feed its self (not sure on that) In theory, yes, Scotland is still part of the UK. Read any UK papers recently? If so you'll hardly have missed the fact that despite practically begging (and outright LYING) to keep it that way in last year's referendum, we now see the MOST HORRENDOUS Jockophobia emanating out of the South East. Why? Because Scotland's likely to vote 50 or so SNP seats out of 59 come May and are poised to hold the balance of power should Lab or Con not reach a sufficient majority to form a government. However, that's an aside and probably best left to another thread.... What's your beef with the UK being in the EU? Neither the Tories nor Labour want to leave, there is however a lot of Little Englander support for UKIP, who want UK to leave. It is Scottish Government policy that when we get independence we'll remain in the EU,and rightly so. Separatism from EU would be disastrous economically and in so many other ways it doesn't bear thinking about. We've hardly lost all trade with Commonwealth countries but it doesn't come cheap importing from distant lands. It makes much more economic sense to trade with our nearest neighbours, where law and trading standards work off the same page. It's also true that remoter parts of Scotland benefit HUGELY from EU grants and partnership working.
|
|
|
Post by ozneil on Mar 29, 2015 22:33:10 GMT -1
In theory, yes, Scotland is still part of the UK. Read any UK papers recently? If so you'll hardly have missed the fact that despite practically begging (and outright LYING) to keep it that way in last year's referendum, we now see the MOST HORRENDOUS Jockophobia emanating out of the South East. Why? Because Scotland's likely to vote 50 or so SNP seats out of 59 come May and are poised to hold the balance of power should Lab or Con not reach a sufficient majority to form a government. However, that's an aside and probably best left to another thread.... What's your beef with the UK being in the EU? Neither the Tories nor Labour want to leave, there is however a lot of Little Englander support for UKIP, who want UK to leave. It is Scottish Government policy that when we get independence we'll remain in the EU,and rightly so. Separatism from EU would be disastrous economically and in so many other ways it doesn't bear thinking about. We've hardly lost all trade with Commonwealth countries but it doesn't come cheap importing from distant lands. It makes much more economic sense to trade with our nearest neighbours, where law and trading standards work off the same page. It's also true that remoter parts of Scotland benefit HUGELY from EU grants and partnership working. [/quote]
|
|
|
Post by ozneil on Mar 29, 2015 22:33:47 GMT -1
In theory, yes, Scotland is still part of the UK. Read any UK papers recently? If so you'll hardly have missed the fact that despite practically begging (and outright LYING) to keep it that way in last year's referendum, we now see the MOST HORRENDOUS Jockophobia emanating out of the South East. Why? Because Scotland's likely to vote 50 or so SNP seats out of 59 come May and are poised to hold the balance of power should Lab or Con not reach a sufficient majority to form a government. However, that's an aside and probably best left to another thread.... What's your beef with the UK being in the EU? Neither the Tories nor Labour want to leave, there is however a lot of Little Englander support for UKIP, who want UK to leave. It is Scottish Government policy that when we get independence we'll remain in the EU,and rightly so. Separatism from EU would be disastrous economically and in so many other ways it doesn't bear thinking about. We've hardly lost all trade with Commonwealth countries but it doesn't come cheap importing from distant lands. It makes much more economic sense to trade with our nearest neighbours, where law and trading standards work off the same page. It's also true that remoter parts of Scotland benefit HUGELY from EU grants and partnership working. I dont give a bugger whether you are in the EU or not. Now Im still talking UK I cant find a way to separate stats I think your government make a very short sighted decision joining it . I think it was to your detriment certainly not ours. However you have to live with it I cant see its possible for you to leave. I dont think we are really interested in trading with you now. We will certainly sell you stuff but not at "mates'rates" (we now send you coal ... not to Newcastle but from Newcastle NSW). I take it the 50 seats you win will be at the expense of labour so its not going to make a great deal of difference to the Tories. You have lost one hell of a lot of trade from here. Used to be mostly UK imports now scarely any same in NZ and India. Dont know about Africa or Canada. Think how these countries have expanded since you joined the EU particulatily India its going gang busters!!!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 0:17:50 GMT -1
|
|
|
Post by ozneil on Mar 30, 2015 1:47:30 GMT -1
Yes please and thanks I will though I find Guardian is very left leaning generally. But certainly worth reading and considering Read Mason Thats what I was thinking that the old 2 political parties should be scrapped .. Labour went out of date in the 40s & 50s when it won its great battles .. It seems to me to be still fighting same battles instead of moving on ... The Tories are just plain out of touch with ordinary people apox on both their houses!!! now no 2 Hell its the same one Can partly explain both UKIP and SNP thhough from different ends of the political spectrum
|
|
|
Post by ozneil on Apr 5, 2015 0:44:07 GMT -1
Getting dirty
From the Australian
SNP urges UK memo leak inquiry AAP APRIL 05, 2015 11:25AM
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 19:17:11 GMT -1
Getting dirty From the Australian SNP urges UK memo leak inquiry AAP APRIL 05, 2015 11:25AM Slightly amazed--in a good way!--that this is being reported over by, Oz. It has been a fairly confusing 48 hours here, but what's now clear is that the 'memo' emanated from Westminster's SCOTLAND OFFICE, under the watch of the Scottish Secretary to the Cabinet, Alastair Carmichael. So far nobody "knows" who made bits of it up (or 'lost in translation, given it was a meeting with the French ambassador) and leaked it as genuine. I just him on the radio just now , speaking for the first time about it. He says it's 'Just one of those things'....like dirty tricks and lies are par for the course during an election. The piece was published in the Torygraph without the journalist checking his facts with either the First Minister or the French Ambassador: both of whom have denied the wording of the 'memo'. That Labour seized upon it, without checking sources, is looking really bad for them here: they are being absolutely ridiculed. Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale has been reprimanded publically on Twitter by HER OWN FATHER and admonished to check her facts before commenting... The whole thing's backfiring with a great big PHHHHHHHRRRRRT. The Westminster elite and the press they have in their pocket are terrified, clearly. Fine by us!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 19:20:52 GMT -1
Oz, for a bit more on the scenario going on here, this piece of journalism by Kevin McKenna is perspicacious, intelligent and balanced. bit.ly/1JbETAe
|
|
|
Post by ozneil on Apr 5, 2015 20:30:04 GMT -1
Slightly amazed--in a good way!--that this is being reported over by, Oz. It has been a fairly confusing 48 hours here, but what's now clear is that the 'memo' emanated from Westminster's SCOTLAND OFFICE, under the watch of the Scottish Secretary to the Cabinet, Alastair Carmichael. So far nobody "knows" who made bits of it up (or 'lost in translation, given it was a meeting with the French ambassador) and leaked it as genuine. I just him on the radio just now , speaking for the first time about it. He says it's 'Just one of those things'....like dirty tricks and lies are par for the course during an election. The piece was published in the Torygraph without the journalist checking his facts with either the First Minister or the French Ambassador: both of whom have denied the wording of the 'memo'. That Labour seized upon it, without checking sources, is looking really bad for them here: they are being absolutely ridiculed. Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale has been reprimanded publically on Twitter by HER OWN FATHER and admonished to check her facts before commenting... The whole thing's backfiring with a great big PHHHHHHHRRRRRT. The Westminster elite and the press they have in their pocket are terrified, clearly. Fine by us! Its the same here The left will do anything to discredit Abbott, the left press pick & publish up stories without checking and many people believe because they want too. The Left cant possibly believe that others are correct and that they are incorrect so they grasp at anything to reinforce their beliefs. Your F T article is a case in point the writer was told a pack of lies and he didnt check. Does their cause no good only destroys credibility. You missed the one, widely published, about the "boat person" with badly burned hands he claimed a RAN sailor had forced him to hold the almost red hot engine exhaust pipe... shock horror! outrage! demand court martial etc. The RAN pointed out that they had responded to a "Mayday" call that the boat had broken down and they couldnt get engine started. It took them several hours to reach boat and then they had to tow it to safety. Just another pack of lies And so it goes on. Anything Abbott does is wrong! Its so juvenile
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 23:36:40 GMT -1
I don't know enough about Aus politics to comment on whether Abbott's right, wrong or a combination of both. But what we're seeing here in the UKE is a concerted effort by the mainstream media to pit right (Tory) and left (Labour) against each other, depending on who funds their newspaper/radio or TV station. This is not new, of course. BUT they're now resorting (both sides) to smearing the SNP for the simple reason that we present a threat to the Old Guard. (Who will defend their 'entitlement' to rule, no matter what it takes...including outright LIES). Just six months ago, the Unionist parties insisted we were Better Together. Yeah, right. As long as we keep contributing to the tax coffers and genuflect backwards while doffing our cap to those who believe they know what's good for us. There's a sense of disbelief and HUGE amusement here that they are actually so stupid they think they're gonna get away with it.
|
|
|
Post by ozneil on Apr 6, 2015 0:12:37 GMT -1
I don't know enough about Aus politics to comment on whether Abbott's right, wrong or a combination of both. But what we're seeing here in the UKE is a concerted effort by the mainstream media to pit right (Tory) and left (Labour) against each other, depending on who funds their newspaper/radio or TV station. This is not new, of course. BUT they're now resorting (both sides) to smearing the SNP for the simple reason that we present a threat to the Old Guard. (Who will defend their 'entitlement' to rule, no matter what it takes...including outright LIES). Just six months ago, the Unionist parties insisted we were Better Together. Yeah, right. As long as we keep contributing to the tax coffers and genuflect backwards while doffing our cap to those who believe they know what's good for us. There's a sense of disbelief and HUGE amusement here that they are actually so stupid they think they're gonna get away with it. sounds like exactly the same....................vindictive smear campaigns any saying anything.. Anything to scupper a threat. In your case the 2 major parties dead scared of their useless and fuckwittedness being shown up. in ourcase the Labour & Greens being shown up as idiots Your FT article is a case in point It was all lies but people believe it is because they want too.
|
|
|
Post by bormes on Apr 6, 2015 14:53:47 GMT -1
A possibility is that as Ms. sturgeon's popularity climbs and OZ it is, even in England after the last leaders debate people in England really had a chance to hear what the three Ladies had to say on POLICY. It was an eye opener and it has brought quite a lot of comment from English people asking WHY the two main parties will not engage in changing things to suit more people than just the one percent? I see a DANGER for her and I seriously mean a physical danger as it would NOT be the first time violence was used to stop a movement. There is also the possibility of security people doing attacks on property of the crown and politicians of Unionist persuation and then the UK Government can justify sending troops to pacify the rowdy Scots.
|
|
|
Post by ozneil on Apr 6, 2015 21:19:30 GMT -1
Its time someone woke up these complacent bastards
|
|