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Post by ozneil on Apr 7, 2015 0:47:24 GMT -1
On the other hand I get completely pissed off with the way the British Empire is sledged generally by left wing academics and journalists.
If it were all that bad why did so many nations opt to remain in the Commonwealth?. ( I think apart from USA only 3 left Ireland, The Gambia & Burma). Go on make up excuses! Their, the "anti Brit lobby", anger against it just doesnt make sense. Course they bring out the bad points and ignore the good. The biggest democracy in the world is a result of British Rule and it and other nations make up a sizeable portion of world population (not a bad achievement for a little country) and so it goes on. For God's sake be proud of your country (it has been yours since 1707) and stop denigrating its achievements coz they dont fit in with your ideals. Apart from anything else it was UK that stopped slavery from West Africa. Before you start on the nasty Brit slave traders remember it was the Africans that captured the slaves and sold them to traders, not just Brits, and it was lots of nationalities that bought them. At least Wilberforce did his best to stop it and the RN had squadron based in West Africa to try and intercept the slave ships
I watched a programme on fall of Singapore where an academic said Indian troops didnt fight and joined the Japanese forces against the British ,certainly a few did but not many, the majority didnt. UK & Indian Congress came to an agreement that if Indian Forces fought with the UK they would get full INDEPENDENCE after the war. Both countries kept their word. In fact it was a largely Indian army under Slim that gave Japan their biggest land defeat ever. That was in Burma.
Reading Fraser's (Flashman guy) auto biography he related as a lowly L/cpl in the Border Regiment he was leading a patrol in Burma in the last month or 2 of the war when about half a doz Indian soldiers who had been fighting with the JIF surrendered to him. Apparently they had been hiding for days to surrender to Brit troops coz if they surrendered to any Indian troops they would have been shot out of hand as traitors.
So much for anti UK feeling
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Post by ozneil on Apr 7, 2015 1:50:43 GMT -1
PS As a nice little corollary to the Highland c learances. The greedy bastards were largely put out of business by the descendants of those they had pushed off their land and forced to emigrate to Australia and New Zealand. Australian and New Zealand wool grown by descendants of these people undercut price and was superior to Scottish wool at that time and was pushing Scottish wool out of the market and bankrupting many of the "lairds" there.
Now they are going for timber. If you dont believe me just look around and forget the "plausible" excuses made by pollies & greenies
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 23:31:14 GMT -1
A possibility is that as Ms. sturgeon's popularity climbs and OZ it is, even in England after the last leaders debate people in England really had a chance to hear what the three Ladies had to say on POLICY. It was an eye opener and it has brought quite a lot of comment from English people asking WHY the two main parties will not engage in changing things to suit more people than just the one percent? I see a DANGER for her and I seriously mean a physical danger as it would NOT be the first time violence was used to stop a movement. There is also the possibility of security people doing attacks on property of the crown and politicians of Unionist persuation and then the UK Government can justify sending troops to pacify the rowdy Scots. I think you are right, Bormes, in that Nicola's increasingly high profile means that some nutjobs will see her as a target; not arguing by reason or rhetoric but in more dangerous ways. I imagine she'll have had to bring in some level of security: a pity, but necessary. And like you, I'd not underestimate certain 'powers that be' from doing terrible things in order to pin the blame on those they're utterly terrified of, either. That'd not be new. It's looking like a rout, come May 7th. And the Westmonster establishment don't like it ONE BIT. They pleaded with us to stay, to be better together. So they have to accept democracy and that we'll vote for the party most likely to stand up for Scotland. It's getting scary though, I agree. But we're used to standing up to Bully Boys.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 0:01:23 GMT -1
On the other hand I get completely pissed off with the way the British Empire is sledged generally by left wing academics and journalists. If it were all that bad why did so many nations opt to remain in the Commonwealth?. ( I think apart from USA only 3 left Ireland, The Gambia & Burma). Go on make up excuses! Their, the "anti Brit lobby", anger against it just doesnt make sense. Course they bring out the bad points and ignore the good. The biggest democracy in the world is a result of British Rule and it and other nations make up a sizeable portion of world population (not a bad achievement for a little country) and so it goes on. For God's sake be proud of your country (it has been yours since 1707) and stop denigrating its achievements coz they dont fit in with your ideals. Apart from anything else it was UK that stopped slavery from West Africa. Before you start on the nasty Brit slave traders remember it was the Africans that captured the slaves and sold them to traders, not just Brits, and it was lots of nationalities that bought them. At least Wilberforce did his best to stop it and the RN had squadron based in West Africa to try and intercept the slave ships
I watched a programme on fall of Singapore where an academic said Indian troops didnt fight and joined the Japanese forces against the British ,certainly a few did but not many, the majority didnt. UK & Indian Congress came to an agreement that if Indian Forces fought with the UK they would get full INDEPENDENCE after the war. Both countries kept their word. In fact it was a largely Indian army under Slim that gave Japan their biggest land defeat ever. That was in Burma. Reading Fraser's (Flashman guy) auto biography he related as a lowly L/cpl in the Border Regiment he was leading a patrol in Burma in the last month or 2 of the war when about half a doz Indian soldiers who had been fighting with the JIF surrendered to him. Apparently they had been hiding for days to surrender to Brit troops coz if they surrendered to any Indian troops they would have been shot out of hand as traitors. So much for anti UK feeling You sound quite angry here, Oz? I'm not about to rise to it, sorry Personally speaking, I believe Empire brought many benefits but also some disadvantages along with it, did it not? I'd absolutely agree with ANY country wanting to be independent and to govern itself according to the needs of its people, rather than being "ruled" by a country with different values and mores. It's perfectly possible to be independent yet mutually allied with other countries that share those values. WW1 WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Cold War, all that and for what?------yesterday's enemy is today's ally. It was always thus. There has to be a better way and I don't believe that lies in confrontational war-mongering politics. It's never worked before and it doesn't work now.
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Post by ozneil on Apr 8, 2015 21:17:55 GMT -1
Yes but not so much angry as completely pissed off with my race/forebears being blamed for everything bad that has happened in the world since God left the tap running.
These accusations usually originate from angry men from minor universities with beardlets and their Rights, Entitlenments and grants to protect who have an agenda to alter the world in accordance with some hidden or not so hidden way which they perceive is the "only true way" and that everything we have done since 1314 is bad. They have no tolerance for anyone else's point of view and will use any means to force their views across. They prey on gullible young people on whom their simplistic out look on life looks appealing and are looking for a crusade to prove how growed up they are and of course rent-a-mob same straggly beards no matter what the demo is about.
They never seem to appreciate it was our forebears that gave them the opportunity and that their fathers of grandfathers were prepared to give their all and often lay down their lives to ensure the freedom of expression they wish to curtail in others because it doesnt conform with "the true way". This can vary from Global warming to world government and all stations in between whatever is the current fad to grind. Their cry is taken up by vested interests. They now stoop to interrupting meetings of people with opposing views usually by shrill voiced Frightbats with loudhailers accompanied by the chorus giving the chant of the day to drown out the opposing speaker so his/her views cannot be heard (their, the bearded ones, view of democracy Its their right to protest!!!)
In my day it was "ban the bomb" great ideal but impractical then it was Vietnam . These demonstrations were a fantastic propaganda coup for Russia particularily Vietnam as they, the Russians, wanted a warm water base on the Pacific. Now we have the fake horror and down right lies here about anything Abbott does. The FT article is a case in point.
My present No1 piss offer is the Greenies trying to ban a gas plant on Barrow Island, must be kept a wilderness, demos etc etc from inner city dwellers who have never been there. The locals are screaming for it to be built it means as well as royalties, jobs for the men, training for the kids and a much higher standard of living including a hospital and other facilities. The Mineral companies, 1 Australian and 1 US have promnised this and they can see it has happened at places such Weipa and Nhullinby. They say they dont just want to be caretakers of their land But NO the Inner City Greenies know better
They will never give others the freedom of speech they demand as their RIGHT. Farage incident is and example and how many meetings of opposing factions have been interrupted by loudhailer bearing frightbats and their cohorts.
OK now you know why Im pissed off
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Post by ozneil on Apr 9, 2015 0:53:20 GMT -1
and on the subject of Greenies and the PC though I dont know if it applies to Scotland.
THE Greenies and their Labour consorts made such a hullabaloo about the amount of energy wastes using incandescent lamp globes that they were banned and we have to use the new energy efficient long life bulbs. Not only do they not last as long as predicted but they contain mercury and add to enviromental pollution when disposed off.
Only thing it really proves is the old adages
"Empty vessels make most noise" and "Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise."
Thomas Gray
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 19:21:47 GMT -1
Yes but not so much angry as completely pissed off with my race/forebears being blamed for everything bad that has happened in the world since God left the tap running. These accusations usually originate from angry men from minor universities with beardlets and their Rights, Entitlenments and grants to protect who have an agenda to alter the world in accordance with some hidden or not so hidden way which they perceive is the "only true way" and that everything we have done since 1314 is bad. They have no tolerance for anyone else's point of view and will use any means to force their views across. They prey on gullible young people on whom their simplistic out look on life looks appealing and are looking for a crusade to prove how growed up they are and of course rent-a-mob same straggly beards no matter what the demo is about. They never seem to appreciate it was our forebears that gave them the opportunity and that their fathers of grandfathers were prepared to give their all and often lay down their lives to ensure the freedom of expression they wish to curtail in others because it doesnt conform with "the true way". This can vary from Global warming to world government and all stations in between whatever is the current fad to grind. Their cry is taken up by vested interests. They now stoop to interrupting meetings of people with opposing views usually by shrill voiced Frightbats with loudhailers accompanied by the chorus giving the chant of the day to drown out the opposing speaker so his/her views cannot be heard (their, the bearded ones, view of democracy Its their right to protest!!!) In my day it was "ban the bomb" great ideal but impractical then it was Vietnam . These demonstrations were a fantastic propaganda coup for Russia particularily Vietnam as they, the Russians, wanted a warm water base on the Pacific. Now we have the fake horror and down right lies here about anything Abbott does. The FT article is a case in point. My present No1 piss offer is the Greenies trying to ban a gas plant on Barrow Island, must be kept a wilderness, demos etc etc from inner city dwellers who have never been there. The locals are screaming for it to be built it means as well as royalties, jobs for the men, training for the kids and a much higher standard of living including a hospital and other facilities. The Mineral companies, 1 Australian and 1 US have promnised this and they can see it has happened at places such Weipa and Nhullinby. They say they dont just want to be caretakers of their land But NO the Inner City Greenies know better They will never give others the freedom of speech they demand as their RIGHT. Farage incident is and example and how many meetings of opposing factions have been interrupted by loudhailer bearing frightbats and their cohorts. OK now you know why Im pissed off Helluva lot to digest in that post, Oz. I'm taking my time to read it and think about it.
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Post by ozneil on Apr 9, 2015 20:39:09 GMT -1
All I ask is to think about them check for flaws and alternative ideas which disprove their assertions there are plenty. You dont have to agree either(if everyone agreed it would be dead boring )
"Man made global warming" is the biggest lie, swallowed by millions, but it just isnt happening. Look how they have changed the name several times to try and wriggle out of it and all their predictions quietly dropped , Ice free Arctic Ocean by 2010 was it? Sea rising 20 metres in a century ... better get a wriggle on to achieve that it hasnt started yet
Also going back in History South Seas Bubble and the Darien Scheme to name but 2 so it goes on Oh and all the various "holy Relics"
The quick way to check if its a scam is "did someone make mega $$$ or get political power out of it?" To all the examples I have given an emphatic YES.
Here the bearded ones accuse us of everything Aboriginal Genocide being a favourite and an easily proved lie but the gullible believe it. A quick check disproves it, More Aboriginals now than there ever was and of course just look around where I live for Aboriginal names, within 10 miles: Collaroy, Narabeen, CurlCurl, Kirawee, Barrenjoey, Kimbriki and Kuringhai. If there had been genocide theses names would not exist. No one knows the derivation of Dee Why, the name appeared on very early maps.
You can do same with the lies you have been told in UK just look around and think
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Post by ozneil on Apr 9, 2015 21:55:48 GMT -1
PS aboriginal names English spelling of my favourite Aboriginal name "Coal and Candle Creek" The Aboriginal name was actually their pronunciation of the Weejie pronounced name "Colin Campbell" who was a Scottish born Timber getter who worked there in the early to mid 1800s I loved the story Coal & Candle Creek from Kuringhai Chase National park PS He also named Scotland Island which I dont think is Aboriginal
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Post by ozneil on Apr 17, 2015 2:25:10 GMT -1
Is this correct???
Breitbart;
Opinion (not by me!)
Kristallnacht repeat coming soon?
If the above report is anywhere near correct God help you
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Post by bormes on Apr 17, 2015 16:50:00 GMT -1
After last night's debate there is a huge groundswell of ENGLISH people tweeting and posting on the Net that they would LOVE Nicola to be the leader of their party.
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Post by notanimby on Apr 17, 2015 18:45:57 GMT -1
Is this correct??? Breitbart; Opinion (not by me!) Kristallnacht repeat coming soon? If the above report is anywhere near correct God help you I would take all that with a pinch of salt, security at UKIP events is provided by Britain first, a neo- nazi organisation, one of whose members is up on charges for kicking a pregnant YES supporter in the stomach for challenging his racist views whilst campaigning. UKIP deserve all they get, not as an attack on democracy, but because that is the tactics they use against others Fuck being poor, disabled, gay, coloured or in some way different in UKIP land, they are scum and should be treated as such
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 18:55:43 GMT -1
UKIP have NO PLACE TO GO in Scotland, Oz.
There are knuckledraggers who don't know WHICH way is up who will vote some UKIP MPs in in England. They are however, sadly, entitled to vote.
I doubt we'll see a single one elected here in Scotland, they're treated with the utter derision they deserve.
There's only two outcomes to our General Election in May. Tory alliance with UKIP or Labour alliance with SNP/Plaid Cymru/Greens.
The former would be a total disaster for the UKE.
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Post by ozneil on Apr 17, 2015 20:59:16 GMT -1
as I said before I know little about UKIP I tend to think they are a bunch of dicks. I do however find it absolutely appalling the way the extreme left, and it is the extreme left of the labour party, use threats and violence to try to stop people voting for them. Its worse than appalling its barbaric and a total travesty of democracy. God help UK if these people ever get in a position of power reminds me of Kristallnacht in no small way Its the same here at a recent pro _Israeli lecture at University a gang of extreme lefties burst into it to disrupt it led by a lecturer. He grabbed a 74 year old jewish lady by the arm and pulled her away, he said to steady her as she seemed off balance. She admitted that as she was only standing on one leg at the time. As she put in such a lady-like manner " was in the process of kneeing him in the 2 peas and cutlet" She was successful and in the best traditions of the extreme left he went off bleating to the cops. The cops advised him not to report it officially as the little old lady would claim self defence and who would take his word against hers. I dont know who leaked it to the press.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 23:36:31 GMT -1
as I said before I know little about UKIP I tend to think they are a bunch of dicks. I do however find it absolutely appalling the way the extreme left, and it is the extreme left of the labour party, use threats and violence to try to stop people voting for them. Its worse than appalling its barbaric and a total travesty of democracy. God help UK if these people ever get in a position of power reminds me of Kristallnacht in no small way Its the same here at a recent pro _Israeli lecture at University a gang of extreme lefties burst into it to disrupt it led by a lecturer. He grabbed a 74 year old jewish lady by the arm and pulled her away, he said to steady her as she seemed off balance. She admitted that as she was only standing on one leg at the time. As she put in such a lady-like manner " was in the process of kneeing him in the 2 peas and cutlet" She was successful and in the best traditions of the extreme left he went off bleating to the cops. The cops advised him not to report it officially as the little old lady would claim self defence and who would take his word against hers. I dont know who leaked it to the press. No idea what you're on about re extreme Leftist tactics against UKIP. UKIP don't need any help to shoot themselves in the foot.
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