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Post by notanimby on Jan 14, 2014 20:39:54 GMT -1
Im with Gilly. There is too many suppositions in Salmond's White Paper that have not yet been challenged. Like all Pollies he tells you what he wants you to hear I have looked at "Business for Scotland" In more particular the member list. No one there can be considered a "Captain of Industry" or even an economist. In other words pretty light weight. Course I may have missed some. PS Ya gorra have critiques to enable you to sell your message to cynical bastards like me I dont know if I have a vote, I certainly according to Mr S have dual nationality but even if I do its not my place to vote. Not all captains are members of this group, for instance........ Jim McColl of Clyde Blowers Brian Soutar of StageCoach The two above run major world class business, both having started off from nothing.
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Post by ozneil on Jan 14, 2014 22:36:56 GMT -1
Im with Gilly. There is too many suppositions in Salmond's White Paper that have not yet been challenged. Like all Pollies he tells you what he wants you to hear I have looked at "Business for Scotland" In more particular the member list. No one there can be considered a "Captain of Industry" or even an economist. In other words pretty light weight. Course I may have missed some. PS Ya gorra have critiques to enable you to sell your message to cynical bastards like me I dont know if I have a vote, I certainly according to Mr S have dual nationality but even if I do its not my place to vote. Not all captains are members of this group, for instance........ Jim McColl of Clyde Blowers Brian Soutar of StageCoach The two above run major world class business, both having started off from nothing. Exactly my point Nota they are NOT in group. What are people like them saying? Guys with real experience and a lot of clout. Weirs and James Kilpatrick are probably the best know Scottish Firms here what are they saying. The people in "Business for Scotland" look pretty parochial
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 0:46:10 GMT -1
If you'd like to research the views of Scottish businesses that you personally 'approve' of as being 'big' and 'relevant' enough to have a view, Oz, then go right ahead and share the results of your findings! You might be hard of hearing but I did say that many business leaders here have come out for YES. Was that too inconvenient a truth? Shirley not! Here's Sir Tom Hunter who not only works for but helps fund the YES campaign. I wonder if HE has enough real experience and a lot of clout (in your esteemed estimation!) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_HunterI believe Tom espouses the values of the majority of Scots. Ambition and entrepreneurialism tempered with a social conscience. Your call.
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Post by ozneil on Jan 15, 2014 1:31:11 GMT -1
As I said I know very little about it and if I dont ask I dont get responses. I ask questions as I see it & am delighted to get good resonses. If I said all was wonderrrful I wouldnt get any responses Most of the responses I get are too general. Although I am interested and hope for the best for you it doesnt make any difference to us one way or other so I will let you answer questions rather than me researching
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 1:49:19 GMT -1
I'm sorry I've no idea who James Kilpatrick is. ANYONE? As for Weirs, only two come to mind. Weirs Pumps. And THE Weirs.
Who donated 1 million of their Euromillions win to the YES campaign. Aside from that, they continue to change many lives for the better by direct donations. Like Tom Hunter, they have an innate social conscience.
I'd imagine their contribution to the YES campaign is all about supporting the principles of fairness and yes, generosity.
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Post by ozneil on Jan 15, 2014 2:24:24 GMT -1
I'm sorry I've no idea who James Kilpatrick is. ANYONE? As for Weirs, only two come to mind. Weirs Pumps. And THE Weirs. Who donated 1 million of their Euromillions win to the YES campaign. Aside from that, they continue to change many lives for the better by direct donations. Like Tom Hunter, they have an innate social conscience. I'd imagine their contribution to the YES campaign is all about supporting the principles of fairness and yes, generosity. Weirs of Cathcart. They are/were world wide in mining equipment. Pumps valves and the like. James Kilpatrick (Kirkpatrick?) & Sons Electrical Engineers Paisley. They build/install huge electrical installations ranging from Cold stores in Siberia to electrical Installations for huge mining operations in outback Australia. In Australia their name is Kilpatrick Green. I used these 2 examples because they are Scottish and world wide. The type of companies your country needs to help it make a go of it. Having said that they may no longer exist ;( Woops found out Kilpatrick Green has been bought over by UGL here. so maybe gone
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Post by notanimby on Jan 15, 2014 6:40:00 GMT -1
I'm sorry I've no idea who James Kilpatrick is. ANYONE? As for Weirs, only two come to mind. Weirs Pumps. And THE Weirs. Who donated 1 million of their Euromillions win to the YES campaign. Aside from that, they continue to change many lives for the better by direct donations. Like Tom Hunter, they have an innate social conscience. I'd imagine their contribution to the YES campaign is all about supporting the principles of fairness and yes, generosity. Weirs of Cathcart. They are/were world wide in mining equipment. Pumps valves and the like. James Kilpatrick (Kirkpatrick?) & Sons Electrical Engineers Paisley. They build/install huge electrical installations ranging from Cold stores in Siberia to electrical Installations for huge mining operations in outback Australia. In Australia their name is Kilpatrick Green. I used these 2 examples because they are Scottish and world wide. The type of companies your country needs to help it make a go of it. Having said that they may no longer exist ;( Woops found out Kilpatrick Green has been bought over by UGL here. so maybe gone Weirs Pumps are now owned by an American multi-national, there is still a Weir Group who are HQed in Glasgow but they don't do much in Scotland manufacturing now - all abroad The electrical company is now part of BAlfour Beattie known as Balfour Kilpatrick Business for Scotland is an umbrella group of like minded individuals and companies - it is not the be all and end all of businesses supporting independence In exactly thesame way as the SNP is not teh be all and end all of independence politically There are no business groupings supporting the status quo - the Scottish branch of the CBI ( confederation of british industry) says they do ( well their boss says so, their members ( all 23 of them are still waiting to be asked)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 21:47:25 GMT -1
I think the thing here is trying to sort the wheat from the chaff. I'd already said to Gilly that the link I posted from Business For Scotland was partisan--in belief. But the facts they posted are relevant and I think, worth considering.
As Nota's said, there is no equivalent business grouping actively campaigning for NO.
Personally I think the complacency of the NO campaign (such as it is) might just come back and bite them on the a*se. The Unionist case is simply not being made, seems to me they're relying on people's reluctance to 'change'.
I honestly believe that the vast majority of rUK has NO IDEA of the implications of Indy and how it will affect them. For shame.
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Post by ozneil on Jan 16, 2014 23:11:17 GMT -1
I am finding it very hard to get a balanced view.
Only way is to ask negative questions and hope for a bite.
The positive are dead easy though some seem to defy reality.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2014 0:59:33 GMT -1
"We're all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars"
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Post by ozneil on Jan 17, 2014 1:32:49 GMT -1
"We're all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars" If you do that you end up stepping in dog sh*t
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Post by bormes on Jan 17, 2014 8:50:59 GMT -1
Even the English are becoming quite vociferous about how EVERYTHING is about London and the South East. Last night on question time the people of the North East and West like us Scots complain bitterly how all the jobs and everything is centred in and around London, how all the Government jobs and suppliers for Government contracts are all down South etc., London and it's environs are another country!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 18:13:55 GMT -1
Even the English are becoming quite vociferous about how EVERYTHING is about London and the South East. Last night on question time the people of the North East and West like us Scots complain bitterly how all the jobs and everything is centred in and around London, how all the Government jobs and suppliers for Government contracts are all down South etc., London and it's environs are another country!!!! Well, this morning I read a report on BBC website about the centralisation of just about everything into London and the vast inequalities this is causing in the rest of the UK (rUK). The author asserted that 'other UK cities were punching below their weight'. Comments were flooding in earlier in their hundreds, most of them pretty darned angry. The majority from north of Watford pointing out that traditional industries had been devastated under certain governments and that London as a financial centre would eventually implode--as it very nearly did in 2008. Now the odd thing is, I went to get the link to post it here and the article seems to have mysteriously disappeared. Yet it was prominent in both Scotland and UKE headlines a few hours ago. Many commenters said they wished THEY had the opportunity that we Scots have come September.
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Post by bormes on Jan 27, 2014 18:23:50 GMT -1
A growing number of Northern English are waking up to London and how unequal things are and I think our referendum may just have an effect on England itself and maybe even force a much greater spread of jobs over the rest of England.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 22:13:22 GMT -1
Never a truer word said, Bormes. In light of David Cameron's speech today (which has backfired horribly on him) there's been tens of thousands of people from England, Wales and NI coming out in support of our independence, and saying they plan to move here post YES. Well, all welcome! Come away in, the kettle's on. Attachments:
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