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Post by bormes on Jul 17, 2014 21:40:52 GMT -1
As usual Oz you are right. Still the majority of Palestinians are not hamas they are just ordinary people who have been put out of their houses and removed from their land. It still does not mean violence should be used. It is the fault of the West NOT giving support to a FAIR peace and compensation to those removed surely? The Jews are being heavy handed and that suits hamas it has good PR For them. The West must help barter a peace.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 23:42:50 GMT -1
That old chestnut, Oz. That Hamas bases itself (or hides itself) within local communities in residential areas.
Do they f*ck. Don't believe everything you read in the press.
Ask yourself instead who owns the vast majority of press and media worldwide and reflect on the interests they hold worldwide not least in the US.
And yeah, the point remains, who is supplying both sides with weapons? I think we know the answer to that, don't we?
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Post by ozneil on Jul 18, 2014 2:30:35 GMT -1
That old chestnut, Oz. That Hamas bases itself (or hides itself) within local communities in residential areas. Do they f*ck. Don't believe everything you read in the press. Ask yourself instead who owns the vast majority of press and media worldwide and reflect on the interests they hold worldwide not least in the US. And yeah, the point remains, who is supplying both sides with weapons? I think we know the answer to that, don't we? I dont and neither should you. There are always 2 sides and once again read what I wrote not what you think I wrote Incidentally it was the SBS that showed it and reported rockets hidden in a school and showed rockets bring fired from an area surrounded by buildings. SBS is definitely not pro Israel. We dont know the answer to who is supplying Hamas. We know US is main supplier to Israel but we dont know who is supplying arms/money to Hamas.
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Post by notanimby on Jul 18, 2014 5:41:43 GMT -1
fanatics on both sides...... Pots calling kettles black We know where the Israelis get arms from mostly America. Where does Hamas get its weapons? They have 1000s of rockets. They cost money! Who is financing them? According to sources here Hamas is firing rockets from residential sites, near schools and hospitals knowing Israel will respond sp making martyrs of the poor people. I dont know whether this is just propaganda or not but its a horrible cynical thought. Gaza is about the size of Arran ( total area wise) it is populated with @1.6 million of people - it will be very difficult, if not impossible to be not near a school or civilians - the zionists obviously know this too but dont give a shit Hamas's rockets are home made affairs - they are not in any way sophisticated - guidance systems is mainly point in general direction, with a back of fag packet worked out firing elevation - thats why they can fire hundreds of them They are getting a bit more sophisticated as time goes by though Where's our illustrious "middle east peace envoy" Bliar - not exactly living up to his title - but alas he's to busy taking money from dictators, advising them on how to murder civilians and illegally invade other countries - he fits right in in Israel
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Post by notanimby on Jul 18, 2014 5:46:59 GMT -1
As usual Oz you are right. Still the majority of Palestinians are not hamas they are just ordinary people who have been put out of their houses and removed from their land. It still does not mean violence should be used. It is the fault of the West NOT giving support to a FAIR peace and compensation to those removed surely? The Jews are being heavy handed and that suits hamas it has good PR For them. The West must help barter a peace. One has to remember that Hamas won a democratic election, one that was overseen by the international community to the nth degree - the legitimate election result just didnt please the zionists and their apologists though and they went in the huff It is the fault of the West for appeasing the zionists over their illegally occupied land - the west was quick enough to mobilise and boot saddam out of Kuwait, there is no difference with this whatsoever. The zionists are in breach of numerous UN resolutions, just as Saddam was. The yanks only have to turn off the money supply to the zionists, they'll soon toe the line
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Post by notanimby on Jul 18, 2014 5:49:40 GMT -1
That old chestnut, Oz. That Hamas bases itself (or hides itself) within local communities in residential areas. Do they f*ck. Don't believe everything you read in the press. Ask yourself instead who owns the vast majority of press and media worldwide and reflect on the interests they hold worldwide not least in the US. And yeah, the point remains, who is supplying both sides with weapons? I think we know the answer to that, don't we? I dont and neither should you. There are always 2 sides and once again read what I wrote not what you think I wrote Incidentally it was the SBS that showed it and reported rockets hidden in a school and showed rockets bring fired from an area surrounded by buildings. SBS is definitely not pro Israel. We dont know the answer to who is supplying Hamas. We know US is main supplier to Israel but we dont know who is supplying arms/money to Hamas. As mentioned earlier, Hamas are the LEGITIMATE, democratically elected government of Palestine - they have every right to be armed and from whoever they choose - one cannot forget that point.
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Post by bormes on Jul 18, 2014 11:51:40 GMT -1
Yes they if elected have the right to be armed but they DO NOT have the right to kill innocent civilians and neither does Israel. Rolo, it is a fact that most if not all terrorist organisations use civilians of both sides in attempt to have a big world wide attention focused on them, they do not care whose kids are killed. Even in the Falklands, not a terrorist action a legitimate Argentinian Government and trained Troops actually and deliberately stored a huge number of very dangerous explosive hardware in Port Stanley next to the school. In the centre of the civvy population!! Fortunately intelligence had hard evidence of this and had every combatant on our side from all three services know NOT to have ANY ordinance any where near this area. It was always going to be dangerous as accidents can happen, however it was the enemy who did this as what a PR MEDIA Coupe that would have been if his huge amount of ordnance had blown up killing hundreds of civvies?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 18:38:34 GMT -1
Rolo, it is a fact that most if not all terrorist organisations use civilians of both sides in attempt to have a big world wide attention focused on them, they do not care whose kids are killed. Even in the Falklands, not a terrorist action a legitimate Argentinian Government and trained Troops actually and deliberately stored a huge number of very dangerous explosive hardware in Port Stanley next to the school. In the centre of the civvy population!! Fortunately intelligence had hard evidence of this and had every combatant on our side from all three services know NOT to have ANY ordinance any where near this area. It was always going to be dangerous as accidents can happen, however it was the enemy who did this as what a PR MEDIA Coupe that would have been if his huge amount of ordnance had blown up killing hundreds of civvies? Yes, I understand your point, Bormes. I understand it rather well as I still have the odd nightmare 27 years on from the morning I found myself blown to the floor by a terrorist bomb in Belfast. You're completely correct about mad fecks using civilians to fight their wars through the media. This is where I often find myself at odds with myself. Free speech and reporting world events in principle, yes. But the downside is that the mad bstrds seem to try to outdo each other in terms of 'OUTRAGE'-- aided and abetted by the media. I just believe that wars dehumanise not only the victims but also the perpetrators. And I utterly despair at the values held by those who think any excuse is good enough to blow people apart.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 20:13:48 GMT -1
Scotland's Minister for External Affairs, Humza Yousaf, has just released this statement. Well said Humza! Minister for External Affairs comments on situation in Gaza and Israel Commenting on the latest situation in Gaza and Israel and confirming that Scotland stands ready to accept Palestinian refugees, External Affairs Minister Humza Yousaf said: “The start of a ground offensive is a serious and worrying development. The lives lost in this conflict are individual human tragedies and the killing of innocent civilians, be they Palestinian or Israeli, is to be utterly condemned. The rocket attacks on Israel are unacceptable and should stop, as should the Israeli offensive in Gaza, which is heavily disproportionate, as demonstrated by the mounting civilian death toll. “As a Government we continue to call for a complete cessation to all violence and add our voice to those in the international community for an immediate, longer term ceasefire, and that both sides in this conflict put an end to the violence that is causing so many civilian deaths and injuries. “The worsening humanitarian situation in Gaza has been well documented and the UN now estimates that over 18,000 people have been internally displaced. I have today written to the Home Secretary and told her that Scotland would be willing to accept Palestinian refugees and urged the UK to also play a part in easing the refugee crisis in Gaza and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. “It is essential that the UN should be allowed to independently investigate all civilian deaths to determine whether there has been any violation of international law. "Our offer of medical assistance to help the humanitarian situation still stands and we are currently in dialogue with the appropriate Governments and agencies to assess whether Scotland can give specialist medical help to civilians caught up in the conflict should should this prove possible. "The Scottish Government also believes that the continuation of the blockade in Gaza is exacerbating the suffering experienced by the people there and tantamount to collective punishment. For that reason I recently wrote to the UK Government to exert further pressure on the Israeli Government to bring that blockade to an end.”
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Post by bormes on Jul 18, 2014 22:03:29 GMT -1
The UK Government may try to use this against us, as they deliberately did with the so called Libyan bomber??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 17:09:46 GMT -1
Hopefully the UK government will be a thing of the past for Scots soon...
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Post by bormes on Jul 19, 2014 17:40:51 GMT -1
YES, YES, YES. WELL SAID ROLY.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 18:13:54 GMT -1
Sadly I had to w*rk today, otherwise I'd have joined in with this protest in Glasgow. So good that so many young people turned out for it. I do sense the tide turning re young people becoming more politicised, not just because of indyref either. London's protest drew huge numbers too, and still the BBC have yet to mention it in their news bulletins... Attachments:
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Post by bormes on Jul 19, 2014 22:01:21 GMT -1
Anas, or starwars as he is now known was booed and heckled, he had to leave the stage before finishing his patter. Seems like Glasgow kids DO NOT TRUST him, nor labour from labour UK!!
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Post by notanimby on Jul 20, 2014 5:26:59 GMT -1
Anas, or starwars as he is now known was booed and heckled, he had to leave the stage before finishing his patter. Seems like Glasgow kids DO NOT TRUST him, nor labour from labour UK!! Yeah I saw a clip of that on facebook -funny how the BBC forgot that too?
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