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Post by ozneil on Aug 6, 2014 23:29:14 GMT -1
I said "without comment" an article in New York Times . I did not say I believed it
NOW READ MY POSTS ABOVE
How many times have I to say same thing.
The HAMAS have now stopped firing rockets, the Israelis have stopped retaliating.
Its Christians that turn the other cheek
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 19:10:14 GMT -1
The Palestinian Flag has replaced the Saltire flying over Glasgow City Chambers today. It is also flying on other public buildings in Scotland.
A member of the Glasgow Jewish community was very vocal about this on the news last night. Pretty much taking offence and saying our public bodies should not be *taking sides*.
Personally I'd doubt many of the Jewish community don't regret the disproportionate loss of innocent civilians in Gaza. There are certainly Jewish people all over the world who're saying as much.
IS flying a flag taking sides, do we think? Or just highlighting that something really serious is going on and that we have solidarity with those who're losing their lives via the men of violence?
Serious question.
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Post by bormes on Aug 9, 2014 8:28:12 GMT -1
It is taking sides. No matter how they say they are just showing solidarity. Both sides have commited violence. It has to stop and flying a flag will not stop it. Offer help or medication to the injured, that would help. There are thousands of Israeli people who justifiably feel their State has overreacted to the attacks, however until you lose someone from a terrorist attack you can not know how that feels. As Jews are the most attacked, murdered and possibly hated group of people historically and currently, is it any wonder they respond like they do? I do not agree with how they are seemingly retaliating but I, NOR the armchair experts, NOR the Media people out there who are supplying the material for outrahge here. Hamas in the name of Palestinians and isis, al queda the Taliban etc., etc., are commiting WORSE DAILY, in the name of islam, there is NOT the media circus around that, but we hear about the US drone strikes or the Brit soldier killing an enemy who was mortally wounded then the soldier gets the jail for a life sentence for doing his job.FFS. Totally agrre they need peace but BOTH SIDES MUST STOP. so far hamas are the ones that are keeping it going, we shall see?
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Post by ozneil on Aug 9, 2014 20:58:56 GMT -1
I wholly agree with Bormes However I assume your council chambers will be flying the Kurdish and Yazidi flags in coming weeks to show your solidarity with these peoples who are now being slaughtered by ISIS fanatics?
or is that different?
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Post by bormes on Aug 10, 2014 8:05:51 GMT -1
I received a wee bit of a video taken out in the sandbox, very similar to one I saw taken by a friend who was still in my old unit, he was a youngster just coming in as I was leaving. It is just savagery, children being carried out and being murdered by a horrific manner. This is this new scum on the block, trying to out savage the other savages, they call themselves isis, just like the rwandan mob or the shiftas or talibs or al queda ad infinitum. I was just thinking for all those people who have never seen an angry man, yet feel they can judge our young troops in places like this is arrogance of the highest order. The young man ( on his own ) who infiltrated this area to ( possibly, I am only guessing ) bring down airstrikes onto them and he can not interfere in any way, only send sitreps is so brave doing such a professional job. I bow to him!! The point I really want to make is that our troops and the EU troops and the US, OZ, Scandanavian et al., have NEVER behaved in the manner these people do in many countries in the world in any conflict in living memory. Yes there might have been the odd pocket of a psycho doing something terrible but not as a matter of course in so many places I have served. When young men have been subjected to this sort of thing and finally leave the forces, come home, is it any wonder many find it difficult to have respect for people who support either the "religion" or ideals of the same people. Thousands come over here and suddenly we are told we have to mix and not be biased against them. Well it is not easy, I am much, much more for the idea that THEY should mix and NOT be biased against our behaviour. Really really fucking sick of it. Fucking politicians mouthing fucking platitudes while children are being decapitated by islamic fighters all over the world, Where the fuck is this fucking religion of peace?? While all the islamic fuckers living in EU and the West remain SILENT or worse, SUPPORT them we will have civil unrest. Fuckers, Rant slowly passing!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 17:52:30 GMT -1
It is taking sides. No matter how they say they are just showing solidarity. Both sides have commited violence. It has to stop and flying a flag will not stop it. Offer help or medication to the injured, that would help. There are thousands of Israeli people who justifiably feel their State has overreacted to the attacks, however until you lose someone from a terrorist attack you can not know how that feels. As Jews are the most attacked, murdered and possibly hated group of people historically and currently, is it any wonder they respond like they do? I do not agree with how they are seemingly retaliating but I, NOR the armchair experts, NOR the Media people out there who are supplying the material for outrahge here. Hamas in the name of Palestinians and isis, al queda the Taliban etc., etc., are commiting WORSE DAILY, in the name of islam, there is NOT the media circus around that, but we hear about the US drone strikes or the Brit soldier killing an enemy who was mortally wounded then the soldier gets the jail for a life sentence for doing his job.FFS. Totally agrre they need peace but BOTH SIDES MUST STOP. so far hamas are the ones that are keeping it going, we shall see? Ok, well my tuppence-worth is that I don't think it solves anything to fly another country's flag off public buildings. It could be considered divisive and I don't think we need any more of that, thanks very much... We all abhor the murderous violence going on in Gaza and Israel but I do believe Israel is possibly committing a war crime by indiscriminately firing on civilian targets-- and that they *warn* before they attack means nothing. These Palestinian people have nowhere to flee to. The borders are closed on all sides. (Imagine 2 million people crammed into a small strip of land equating to Edinburgh City out to North Berwick who have nowhere to go?) I understand your point about the Jews feeling persecuted, but how many more centuries must it go on? I think their reaction's completely and totally disproportionate in this case. (But as Oz says, shall we take sides next in whatever *war* is happening in Iraq? Oh I forgot, we did already, or rather our governments did it in our name---and we ruined that country with our intervention, because of our special relationship with US...don't ya know) I would say though, Bormes, that in terms of practical help, Humza Yousaf, Scottish Government's foreign minister, announced that whatever medical help Scotland can give is on offer. I believe this is the right way to go. I would like to see the Saltire flying over Glasgow City tomorrow.
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Post by ozneil on Sept 2, 2014 20:52:38 GMT -1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 22:21:46 GMT -1
Not like she's taken sides or anything.......................
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Post by ozneil on Sept 4, 2014 0:10:02 GMT -1
Not like she's taken sides or anything....................... She is as "unbiased" as the MSM and some posters here except that she is "unbiased" in favour of Israel and that she knows a lot about the subject unlike most of the commentators. What can you fault her on that was untrue? I certainly prefer to listen to her rather than the Politically Correct crap and opinion we get fed as news on ABC & BBC by Palestinian/ HAMAS apologists
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Post by bormes on Sept 4, 2014 6:49:54 GMT -1
True Oz.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 21:14:12 GMT -1
OK, so everyone that speaks in favour of Israel is now cool, while those who look at the bigger picture are accused of being PC. Aye, right.
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Post by bormes on Sept 5, 2014 21:22:03 GMT -1
No not fair rascal, i never defended Israel, as I said I showed another side to the Gaza conflict and try to remind people what has happened to Jews for centuries!! I have said all along there is faults on both sides, it is not all Israel's fault.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 21:35:00 GMT -1
Absolutely with you there, Bormes. Of course there's fault on both sides. Here's where I am on it: I want to live in a Scotland that doesn't interfere in other peoples' wars. We can't stop them happening, it's unfortunately just how men are--jockeying for position, for power, for dominance. It's never been any different---- and no matter how sophisticatit we *see* ourselves, it's always going to be that way. So. Let's take ourselves away from that front line. Let's keep our kids as safe as we can and not let them be cannon fodder in someone else's war. Let's PLEASE be a force for humanitarian aid in other peoples' hideous wars. Let's welcome everyone that wants, in good faith, to live and work in Scotland, for the benefit of us all. I TRUST US
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Post by ozneil on Sept 5, 2014 22:36:35 GMT -1
2 sides to everything
Both right and wrong but on balance would prefer to be in Israel than surrounding countries
Remember at the chief serangs trial the judge was an Arab Israeli... I doubt if that if you would find the converse in an Arab Country. Says something for Israel.
Mind you I wouldnt like to live there or come to think of it UK either
P S I love the Maori lady's accent reminds me of my wild times in Auckland
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