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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 20:24:37 GMT -1
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Post by ozneil on Feb 11, 2013 19:54:32 GMT -1
Someone trying to put frighteners on you
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Post by notanimby on Feb 12, 2013 17:53:39 GMT -1
Someone trying to put frighteners on you Trying but failing miserably Oz The paper actually says that everything is negotiable and nothing is cast in stone - so much so that one of the eminent professors - he's either Aus or Kiwi says that everything so far said by the Scottish Government is perfectly feasible Its backfired hugely in the press here for the UK government, in the UK government says that Scotland doesnt exist after 1707 act of union but Engerlandshire did and took the name UK and everything really is down to Engerlandshire They then made another faux pas by declaring whats left of the UK after Scotland leaves to be the successor state and Scotland a new state with nothing to its name but to start afresh - as you outline - forgetting that means we dont take any of the debt either - Vienna convention states that must happen Anyways Michael Moore Scottish Secretary of state spent all day on the news baktracking and saying tha Scotland cant have anything but the debt - He's a fuckwitted arsehole at the best of times So two papers in a row from westminster saying how bad Scottish Independence would be have now backfired - the first one in January came out and said everyone would be £1 worse off under independence and that was shocking a whole £1 poorer - the UK government got the pish taken out of them for that one too Seemingly the YES campaign are asking for more of these anti-independence papers to be released and a lot quicker too
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Post by bormes on Feb 13, 2013 8:37:24 GMT -1
Reeks of desperation to me, I hope Mr.Salmond is very careful who he flies with or is driven by or particularly careful (unlike poor Mr Kelly) if he likes to take a wee stroll on his own of an evening!! It is dangerous out there, perhaps he is actually safe as to the UK establishment he is a much bigger danger than Adams or mcguiness ever were and the UK Govt. do not want a martyr!!
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Post by notanimby on Feb 13, 2013 11:37:24 GMT -1
Reeks of desperation to me, I hope Mr.Salmond is very careful who he flies with or is driven by or particularly careful (unlike poor Mr Kelly) if he likes to take a wee stroll on his own of an evening!! It is dangerous out there, perhaps he is actually safe as to the UK establishment he is a much bigger danger than Adams or mcguiness ever were and the UK Govt. do not want a martyr!! That wee shitebag tory MP Mundell was on STV last night and when asked if supported the paper's assertion that Scotland ceased to exist in 1707 - he said yes - whit a fanny he is He's that stupid, he supported the tory re-alignment of constituencies, even though it guaranteed he would lose his seat It also say something that michael 9mental health issues) moore was chosen over him to be Scottish Sec
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 22:35:07 GMT -1
Interesting couple of days since the Unionists decided to set out their various 'papers' on why to vote NO. All of which completely negative, just giving it barriers and the Can't Do mentality. There'll be a very good reason indeed why the Unionists are so keen to keep the Scots on board There's been much focus on an independent Scotland having to bear our share of the national debt. But very little so far on the FACT that Scots also own 10% approximately of UKE national assets. It'll all out in coming weeks. I have the privilege of working for the Yes Campaign and I am telling you now, these people are THE brightest and THE smartest. Wayyyy ahead of the game. It's almost scary how good they are.
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Post by bormes on Feb 14, 2013 7:42:42 GMT -1
Don't speak too son my friend, the UK has had hundreds of years of cunning, bullying and lying experience to draw from, it would not even surprise me if they did resort to setting up some nutters to start a violent campaign against England on"behalf" of Scotland, yet in fact we Scots wish to do this through the ballot box and not through violence but believe me some section head in "security" within the government WILL have thought out some scenario to make us look bad to ordinary decent voters. Let us hope these ones will not be given their head. I say this knowing a wee bit about how N.I. Was played out and some of the machinations that happened over there. I wonder how much the media will allow that is against the government position, to be written or shown?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 21:10:07 GMT -1
When I said wayy ahead of the game, I meant it, Bormes. Very politically astute, they know which media outlets show self interest and bias. The Yes campaign's based less on media coverage and more about a grassroots conversation that's being had in pubs, clubs, homes and workplaces all over Scotland. That conversation's about self determination and what kind of society we Scots want to live in. People will make their own minds up-we're canny and don't swallow everything the media sells us. Certain parties are apt to forget that sometimes....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 18:23:19 GMT -1
Just catching up, after a mental conference week, on what's been happening on the Independence Campaign. Not a great few days by the look of it, what with that Tory t**t Osborne pitching up in Scotland to put the frighteners on everyone re fiscal policy. So it seems his hideous collection of amoebae intend to make it as difficult as possible for the Scots, post INDY, to retain the pound Sterling. I totally DESPISE the arrogance of them, that they give lip service only to 'granting' the Scots their right to vote for INDY then yanking our chains as if to show they're the lords and masters There are MANY examples of currency union that work perfectly well, so don't believe all you read in the rags---all of which are politically biased either to the right or the shambles that remains of the left. And remember to ask yourselves: if the Scots are such a burden on the UKE, WHY are they SO desperate to keep us in the Union?
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Post by bormes on Apr 24, 2013 20:17:28 GMT -1
Well, one of the things I have come across, only a couple of people mind you, they are seriously now taking much more interest in what is happening as this nonsense with Osborne shows some of the crap they are coming out with. Both of the people I am discussing were previously labour supporters. They have both now committed to YES. Wonderful.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 23:14:48 GMT -1
Well, one of the things I have come across, only a couple of people mind you, they are seriously now taking much more interest in what is happening as this nonsense with Osborne shows some of the crap they are coming out with. Both of the people I am discussing were previously labour supporters. They have both now committed to YES. Wonderful. The Yes campaign is cross-party and no party, Bormes. You don't need to be an SNP voter to join YES. It's about what's in the best interests of the Scottish people. It's about us having democratic political representation; that is, not being under the cosh of a government we DIDN'T VOTE FOR. Post Indy I suspect we'll have a broad spectrum of the left, the centre-left, a whole bunch of independents, all working in the best interests of the Scots. WE'LL decide who governs us.
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Post by bormes on Apr 25, 2013 4:56:16 GMT -1
Think it would be good if it was a lot like the OZ system !! Sounds a good one to me.
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Post by ozneil on Apr 29, 2013 3:43:38 GMT -1
I wish to hell you would get rid of the header to the forum! I have no idea of what the photo is about but the bit of “poetry” is bloody awful. It gives a perception of the Scots as a meuling, self flagellating, spiritless down trodden people with no will power or sense of purpose of their of their own. I hope this doesn’t portray the general outlook of the people there but it certainly gives that impression. People always have the choice they can stay and whinge and find thousands of reasons why they cant move or do something but when it comes down to it its their choice so don’t blame others for their lack of will.
I know the Scots have produced great things but mostly outside Scotland ranging from Michael Scott, Maths and Chemistry 14th century Bologna Toledo and Paris, through to Andrew Carnegie Bethlehem steel. Here we have Burns, Philp and Jardine all Scottish merchants as well as the Kidman family (Ulster Scots) cattle barons. You have people that can do anything but you must get away from the “poor us” Attitude. You have allowed the English to walk all over you. You have allowed them to destroy your education system which was the envy of the world. WHY??
Your parliament house is a prime example of being “walked–over” You were advised by your Scottish advisor a very competent man that Miralles MUST work out of an office in Edinburgh. He however assured you people that wasn’t necessary. They believed him because he had a big name and ignored the Scottish no body. The Scot was right. Then they bye-passed an extremely able Scottish Builder and chose an Australian owned firm (AUSTRALIAN FOR GODS SAKE) why I have no idea other than Scottish lack of confidence.
I have dealt with plenty of Scots here and overseas. They are mostly competent, confident, self reliant people who know where they are going and either they or their ancestors made the choice, stay and get no-where or go where there is opportunity.. If you ask them its always the same answer … “Its for the kids”.
It is very sad. I hope independence will change this. BTW only one scot of my acquaintance would consider returning to Scotland . Mind you he supports Partick Thistle
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Post by ozneil on Apr 29, 2013 4:58:55 GMT -1
PS the first of my tribe arrived in Sydney on this ship
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Post by bormes on Apr 29, 2013 9:49:29 GMT -1
Another good post OZ, where did you get the photo from?
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